Thread: Gunsmithing under threat?

well just read everything on FSA web site re gunsmiths dealers nothing unusual there

Originally Posted by blip

Id be checking with someone on face book

Facebook, such a reliable source of information not.
Since I see no one else has done so, I have sent a few questions regarding these rumours and under what sections of the firearms act they are possibly being enacted to the FSA. See if I get an answer or not, they’re usually pretty straight up with replies to questions.

good on ya mate someone buy that man a beer

The current Arms Act and the current Arms Regulations (two pieces of legislation that have to be read in conjunction, The Arms Act being the document that empowers the Regulations) are the only, and final word, on what is lawful. All Police policy, advice from Arms Officers, directives from the FSA, etc. is irrelevant unless it complies strictly with the legislation, and can be ignored. Remember that legislation only tells you what can't do. If something is not prohibited or otherwise regulated then it is legal to do. Having said that, always be prepared to stand your legal ground in the Courts. The Police often pursue cases when they think they can get way with it due to their, often unlawful, interpretation of the law. Only the Courts may interpret the law, and they are bound by the 'plain English' legislative requirements.

For those interested in a bit of light reading:
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/...html#LMS440359
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/...html#LMS256577
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regu...html#DLM168889

Greetings,
I gather, and I could be wrong, that gunsmiths along with the rest of us are only allowed to keep a firearm for 30 days without registering it. Perhaps someone who is hard of understanding or prone to hyperbole has mis interpreted this.
Just a thought. GPM.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings,
I gather, and I could be wrong, that gunsmiths along with the rest of us are only allowed to keep a firearm for 30 days without registering it. Perhaps someone who is hard of understanding or prone to hyperbole has mis interpreted this.
Just a thought. GPM.

Aren't they required to add it to their dealer book immediately on receipt and then update within 30? Slightly different setup for the dealer/gunsmith types I thought? Might be well wrong on that though.

Originally Posted by No.3

Aren't they required to add it to their dealer book immediately on receipt and then update within 30? Slightly different setup for the dealer/gunsmith types I thought? Might be well wrong on that though.

I am a bit vague on the details but believed there was some 30 day requirement of some sort. It seemed a likely source for the one rifle claim that seems to have no basis in fact.
GPM.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

I am a bit vague on the details but believed there was some 30 day requirement of some sort. It seemed a likely source for the one rifle claim that seems to have no basis in fact.
GPM.

I think the 30 day was a rifle can be transferred from one person to another for up to 30 days without triggering an ownership transfer (assuming that both parties are already in the register system) I have no idea how that applies to a smith or dealer preumably they would want to get the job sorted and returned within the 30 days so they get paid for it registration or not.....

sounds like a need to drop a note to St Nicole of the .303- she would be interested and may ACT upon it and demand answers of the FSA. otherwise Id run with Gundocs advice cause I have in my possesion a written copy a judicial decision which he was involved in and which showed up quite clearly the pig headed attitudes of some members of "Commander Costers coffee club".Justice Jillian Mallon had some quite blunt comments of the efforts of such blue clad persons,acting as judge jury and executioner,and left them in no doubt they were to pull their heads in!

Originally Posted by timattalon

I think the 30 day was a rifle can be transferred from one person to another for up to 30 days without triggering an ownership transfer (assuming that both parties are already in the register system) I have no idea how that applies to a smith or dealer preumably they would want to get the job sorted and returned within the 30 days so they get paid for it registration or not.....

so any business with two or more gunsmiths...or households with FAL holders can play merrygungorounds indefinately change possesion every four weeks and nope..no paperwork needed LOL.

Yeah been noted before that you could go round and round in circles quite lawfully. One wag cynically noted that this must be the criminal ownership loophole...

Let's be honest here.
It isn't realistic and shouldn't be allowed, but with the muppets in charge who the hell would know what they are up ho.
I'm sure they would like to enforce this to shut people out with no other logic to back it up

Originally Posted by woods223

Facebook, such a reliable source of information not.
Since I see no one else has done so, I have sent a few questions regarding these rumours and under what sections of the firearms act they are possibly being enacted to the FSA. See if I get an answer or not, they’re usually pretty straight up with replies to questions.

maybe read what's at the bottom of my posts

BULLSHIT! Next the FSA will be telling farmers that they are only allowed one cow! BULLSHIT!