Thread: HDPA does indeed lie about firearms

Originally Posted by Jexla

I agree that the situation is not acceptable, that's why he's off to jail.
I think you will find that any criminal action towards police or the public is unacceptable.
Do you really believe that the current system does not work and cannot work better with a few tweaks and that routine arming of police is the end all solution?

Also curious, did you vote for O'Connor?

If you think the situation is not ok then why did you say that those outlined incidents were showing that the current system is working?

And what are the tweaks that would've helped in the mentioned situations? I'm all ears for new ideas.

I work with the current system, unlike you, and no I don't think it's working and police are being put at unessacary risk.

Originally Posted by Beavis

One thing I've always wondered, for my owm amusement, is how "personal" is a Police man's rifle? As in, is a New Zealand Police officer "issued" a rifle that becomes their responsibility, or are they drawn from a collective pool when required? Do individual officers sight in their rifle or is it done by an armourer? Is an officer allowed to disassemble a rifle for maintance or remedial of a serious malfunction or is it sent to an armourer? I presume that being armed with a pistol, they would be taught to pitch the rifle in the event of something like a bolt over ride or a blown primer locking the gun up.

I'd be surprised if most Police officers even knew what a bolt overide is.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

I'd be surprised if most Police officers even knew what a bolt overide is.

I had to youtube it, how common are they?

Ask a policeman?

Originally Posted by Savage1

I had to youtube it, how common are they?

Not often at all but it isn't something you want to happen when you really need the rifle. It can be cleared by using the base of the cartridge in the gas vent cut out to rack the bolt.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

I'd be surprised if most Police officers even knew what a bolt overide is.

I wonder how many Police officers know how to clear a blocked fuel line in their cars.

Originally Posted by Savage1

If you think the situation is not ok then why did you say that those outlined incidents were showing that the current system is working?

And what are the tweaks that would've helped in the mentioned situations? I'm all ears for new ideas.

I work with the current system, unlike you, and no I don't think it's working and police are being put at unessacary risk.

Honestly I'm not entirely sure, but I am sure others will have some great ideas.
I think our biggest issue is the criminalization of weed.
Look at the last bunch of times police have been shot at and a large portion of them have been weed related search warrants.
No one should be shot over a god damn plant.
I feel inclined to suggest being armed for drug related search warrants, but I fear people may unnecessarily be shot.
It really is a tricky thing to answer, there's no perfect way unless it was decriminalized.
As for the guy shooting at the cops after the car chase, I don't have an answer to it either.
But I don't feel that being armed 100% of the time is the answer either unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Honestly I'm not entirely sure, but I am sure others will have some great ideas.
I think our biggest issue is the criminalization of weed.
Look at the last bunch of times police have been shot at and a large portion of them have been weed related search warrants.
No one should be shot over a god damn plant.
I feel inclined to suggest being armed for drug related search warrants, but I fear people may unnecessarily be shot.
It really is a tricky thing to answer, there's no perfect way unless it was decriminalized.
As for the guy shooting at the cops after the car chase, I don't have an answer to it either.
But I don't feel that being armed 100% of the time is the answer either unfortunately.

Decriminalize cannabis and theyll be spending all day looking for kids that are not at school

Originally Posted by Maca49

Decriminalize cannabis and theyll be spending all day looking for kids that are not at school

Kids already have easy access to to the stuff and the cops aren't doing this. Places that have decriminalized the stuff haven't found it to negatively affect attendance etc-in fact places that have opened up legal ways to buy it(different thing to decriminalizing) have found it makes it harder for young people to get it as it becomes like beer etc.

Removing the income from crims, increasing the average age of first use, removing the most likely source of exposure to harder drug, removing a barrier to seeking treatment for those with issues, increased tax take. All these things sound like good outcomes to me, not saying I think pot is good at all but that the prohibition model has failed.

I have been told that one of the things standing in the way of law change is the lack of practical tests to show if people are currently high v were high last night. Having had to fire several people for drug use I can see the importance of the distinction

Originally Posted by res

Kids already have easy access to to the stuff and the cops aren't doing this. Places that have decriminalized the stuff haven't found it to negatively affect attendance etc-in fact places that have opened up legal ways to buy it(different thing to decriminalizing) have found it makes it harder for young people to get it as it becomes like beer etc.

Removing the income from crims, increasing the average age of first use, removing the most likely source of exposure to harder drug, removing a barrier to seeking treatment for those with issues, increased tax take. All these things sound like good outcomes to me, not saying I think pot is good at all but that the prohibition model has failed.

I have been told that one of the things standing in the way of law change is the lack of practical tests to show if people are currently high v were high last night. Having had to fire several people for drug use I can see the importance of the distinction

The ozzy police have a tongue swab method that is able to differentiate that they use in order to charge people with drug driving.

Seriously think about how many police have been shot at due to them busting someone's weed grow op, so many examples.

Legalise weed? How much extra are we going to have to pay in benefits for all the extra dope smokers who can't work because they're too unmotivated to get out of bed in the morning and then, because it's legal claim, a sickness benefit fore not being able to work?

What about all the extra costs for mental health services for those, usually younger people, who fuck up their brains smoking weed?

Stoned drivers kill and main enough people now. Do you think the number would reduce if it was legal to smoke?

Filthy druggies should be forced into rehab programs on offshore islands for a minimum of a six month program.

Beneficiaries should be drug tested regularly and any illegal drugs found in their system should result in the benefits being cancelled.

Drug convictions should result in automatic and immediate lose of any firearms licence held.

Originally Posted by res

increasing the average age of first use

They said lowering the drinking age was going to do that, and they were as obviously wrong about that one too

Originally Posted by res

I have been told that one of the things standing in the way of law change is the lack of practical tests to show if people are currently high v were high last night. Having had to fire several people for drug use I can see the importance of the distinction

Why should it matter if they are currently high or were high last night?

Using drugs is still illegal either way.

It's like saying "I fucked a 9 year girl last night, but I'm not fucking her now, so that's okay".

Originally Posted by systolic

Legalise weed? How much extra are we going to have to pay in benefits for all the extra dope smokers who can't work because they're too unmotivated to get out of bed in the morning and then, because it's legal claim, a sickness benefit fore not being able to work?

What about all the extra costs for mental health services for those, usually younger people, who fuck up their brains smoking weed?

Stoned drivers kill and main enough people now. Do you think the number would reduce if it was legal to smoke?

Filthy druggies should be forced into rehab programs on offshore islands for a minimum of a six month program.

Beneficiaries should be drug tested regularly and any illegal drugs found in their system should result in the benefits being cancelled.

Drug convictions should result in automatic and immediate lose of any firearms licence held.

Sweet so when are we gonna ban alcoholic beverages?