Thread: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Originally Posted by blip

Have they proven that?

No, it's a question and not unlikely.

Originally Posted by blip

Have they proven that?

Yes

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Most of those might belong to a dealer or someone in the firearms industry at least going by the assortment, not much of a collection / collectors sort of interest by the looks of it all odds and sods of all sorts

There is a lot to unpack here

As he was a FAL holder then that suggests someone who ignored the confiscation demands.
So that is either an exception and the confiscations were a success and have made us safer
or
An example of civil disobedience to the confiscation demands. If that is widespread disobedience it is something the police won't want to advertise as it would indicate a failure of the whole idea.

It's been said for a long time, the numbers declared as confiscated/destroyed don't seem to stack up. If you look solely at SKS types, we imported them into NZ for near on 65 years give or take. Multiple shipments from multiple countries of manufacture, yet if I recall the numbers correctly from the forms (can't be arsed looking them up) the totals declared for SKS were 5,000 give or take. Customs docs should show what's been imported and somewhere there should be dealer's import permits as well.

The numbers for imports should be able to be researched and cross checked, but from what I saw requests seem to get rebuffed as not held in one place??? I recall being at an old outfit in Auckland now sadly closed down when they opened a container full of import SKS plus accessories, I dunno what a can holds but I'd suggest that one lot would be a fair percentage of the total declared.

It's a funny thing, if it's required for community safety and the way it is done is fair and equitable I have no problem with the concept of surrendering semi's - but the way this outfit went about it was a clusterfluck plain and simple. Removing semi's held by responsible licenced people that were never a problem while ending up in the situation we are in now with an unknown but arguably significant number held unlawfully (who knows where) plainly did nothing to improve public safety. What should have happened was transitioning all semi-auto firearms to an E-cat system and a grandfather clause - if you didn't want to increase security and vett to the higher level sell or surrender. I suspect there would not have been the issues and the support would have been a lot higher for that approach than what we got.

Originally Posted by No.3

It's been said for a long time, the numbers declared as confiscated/destroyed don't seem to stack up. If you look solely at SKS types, we imported them into NZ for near on 65 years give or take. Multiple shipments from multiple countries of manufacture, yet if I recall the numbers correctly from the forms (can't be arsed looking them up) the totals declared for SKS were 5,000 give or take. Customs docs should show what's been imported and somewhere there should be dealer's import permits as well.

The numbers for imports should be able to be researched and cross checked, but from what I saw requests seem to get rebuffed as not held in one place??? I recall being at an old outfit in Auckland now sadly closed down when they opened a container full of import SKS plus accessories, I dunno what a can holds but I'd suggest that one lot would be a fair percentage of the total declared.

It's a funny thing, if it's required for community safety and the way it is done is fair and equitable I have no problem with the concept of surrendering semi's - but the way this outfit went about it was a clusterfluck plain and simple. Removing semi's held by responsible licenced people that were never a problem while ending up in the situation we are in now with an unknown but arguably significant number held unlawfully (who knows where) plainly did nothing to improve public safety. What should have happened was transitioning all semi-auto firearms to an E-cat system and a grandfather clause - if you didn't want to increase security and vett to the higher level sell or surrender. I suspect there would not have been the issues and the support would have been a lot higher for that approach than what we got.

Sorry @No.3 but that statement shows far to much common sense and logic....

And I suspect that this is probably what every semi auto owner was expecting to happen.....but as we know- those in charge at the time displayed a complete lack of both common sense and logic....

I know the SKS was a popular rifle that could be purchased cheaply on A cat and surrendered to get a 'real' E cat gun. Or at least I was under them impression that they were...that could account for some of the 'missing ones'...but you are right- there were so many bought in. Nearly everyne I know with a license had one at one point....

Hi The boys in Blue found this in a raid does it classify as a Baba job

"Hey Buba, did you faceplant into an axe???"

"No, let me tell you about this pistol I made......"

Good job. I for one am pleased to see that lot out of circulation. The only redeeming feature is that the owner hadn't stooped to having Bahco knives as well.

Originally Posted by blip

Im sure he was going to register come closer to the time

Hadn’t initiated a trigger event yet !

What's wrong with a bahco knife?

Originally Posted by AR7

Hi The boys in Blue found this in a raid does it classify as a Baba job

Attachment 239885

Is that an old 303,going by the mag design.?

Originally Posted by Trout

Is that an old 303,going by the mag design.?

Yep.

Originally Posted by Brad S

What's wrong with a bahco knife?

Reliable, effective, good design, cheap and decent steel. Totally unfashionable and not very cool haha

Originally Posted by Brad S

What's wrong with a bahco knife?

They are a crime against fashion. Think crocs and mullets.