Thread: Home invasion

Fair enough but many people don't want aggressive dogs simply to deal with this problem, and more importantly, shouldn't have to consider that option.

Originally Posted by 6x47

Fair enough but many people don't want aggressive dogs simply to deal with this problem, and more importantly, shouldn't have to consider that option.

assess the risk for yourself I guess

Originally Posted by 6x47

Fair enough but many people don't want aggressive dogs simply to deal with this problem, and more importantly, shouldn't have to consider that option.

I agree that you shouldn't have to consider that option but I'd like to add that the dog doesn't have to be at all aggressive. They make superb early warning systems, as the people saved from fire by their pet will testify.
Dog alerts family to fire | Ashburton Courier

It does seem that every time the victim apprehends the criminal the Police charge the victim. Some would consider that it is best to just deal with the situation and not ph Police

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

It does seem that every time the victim apprehends the criminal the Police charge the victim. Some would consider that it is best to just deal with the situation and not ph Police

Not feasible af all. He had brought his mobile phone and as such his movements to the farm could and would get traced. Only way to clean his DNA from the house would be to burn it down really well. And maybe feasible to bury bodies and a car on a farm, but pure fantasy to imagine you'd get away with that once someone comes looking.

Farmer Brown would ironically be in less trouble if he'd let this 140kg gang member get up with the knife and then shot him. But when people are frightened and out of their depth they do stupid things instead. I guess the shottie was unloaded.

victims in this type of situation should be able to fight back without consequence to themselves . We and the crims all know when left to the courts the guy is just going to be out on the streets again in short order , or at home , with no real consequence to his actions .
I am not saying that we can all start torturing anyone who crosses the gate and chopping off body parts , but the last thing I would want to be worried about in that situation would be trying to decide if I can legally defend myself without facing a trial myself on charges for something that was instigated by the criminal breaking in , on my own property in my own house in defence of myself/family and possessions .
Or in a high stress situation like that you may not get the chance to think with all the conflicting emotions and threats upon you or your families person and may just react without thought , which would be understandable and possibly not within the exact wording of the law , which in itself is vague at best .
The victim is legally on the back foot from the get go .
That is not how it should be .
Why should the rights of the criminal come first as they appear to nowadays ? The crim is the one in the wrong , not the victim . If the victim is able to turn the tide on the crim it always seems to be the victim also ends up on charges as mentioned earlier . That is wrong . I guess you could use the excuse of being abused as a child to get off like all these retards seem to do ....
Again , as I mentioned before , I wonder if the farmer would have still faced firearm charges if he was licensed ? Even though a trigger was not pulled ...

I for one believe my home is my castle , as the old adage goes , and would be prepared to do whatever it takes to defend it and those within it's walls .

Originally Posted by Ftx325

Why should the rights of the criminal come first as they appear to nowadays ?

This is what pisses me off big time.
If someone invades my father's house and attacks him, I will be removing A LOT MORE than just a finger.

Originally Posted by Synthetic

This is what pisses me off big time.
If someone invades my father's house and attacks him, I will be removing A LOT MORE than just a finger.

Any home invading crims today should be aware that they will be mistaken for Ducks !

35 years ago i installed alarm system in houses for people for when people went on holiday
25 years ago i installed alarms systems for people going out to the shops for an hou
10 years ago it was for people going out for 10 minutes to pick up the kids from school
now its for people who want them for while they are at home, they barricade themselves to a bedroom/ensuite and alarm the rest at night

and yet the crime rate has dropped? yeah right

as a victim in NZ you are allowed to use "reasonable and proportionate force" in self defense. "Proportionate" is balanced against the level of threat or violence perceived by the victim. The perp admits he's lying on the floor holding a knife and intends to kill the farmer if he gets the chance. Surprised it was only a finger that cut. Hopefully the court/judge has a brain and some morals.
Original reporting by Stuff was truly awful, and flat out wrong (libelous) . They should be on trial as well. Media behaviour wont change unless there are consequences.

Originally Posted by chainsaw

as a victim in NZ you are allowed to use "reasonable and proportionate force" in self defense. "Proportionate" is balanced against the level of threat or violence perceived by the victim. The perp admits he's lying on the floor holding a knife and intends to kill the farmer if he gets the chance. Surprised it was only a finger that cut. Hopefully the court/judge has a brain and some morals.
Original reporting by Stuff was truly awful, and flat out wrong (libelous) . They should be on trial as well. Media behaviour wont change unless there are consequences.

When you fly the Donald Trump supporters flag on your farm the chance of anything positive towards you from this media would be less than minimal.

Also, many guarding dogs aren't aggressive per se and are also family pets.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...d-teen-burglar


It appears these 'good citizens' intentionally cut the burglars finger off as part of 'rough justice'

If so, its clear you can't do that without being prosecuted IMO.

Originally Posted by Longrun

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...d-teen-burglar


It appears these 'good citizens' intentionally cut the burglars finger off as part of 'rough justice'

If so, its clear you can't do that without being prosecuted IMO.

That also depends on what religion you belong to as wall . Some Eastern and South East Asian religions have got that part dead right .

Originally Posted by HILLBILLYHUNTERS

That also depends on what religion you belong to as wall . Some Eastern and South East Asian religions have got that part dead right .

maybe you should go and live in these countries?