Thread: Home invasion

Fair enough but many people don't want aggressive dogs simply to deal with this problem, and more importantly, shouldn't have to consider that option.

It does seem that every time the victim apprehends the criminal the Police charge the victim. Some would consider that it is best to just deal with the situation and not ph Police

35 years ago i installed alarm system in houses for people for when people went on holiday
25 years ago i installed alarms systems for people going out to the shops for an hou
10 years ago it was for people going out for 10 minutes to pick up the kids from school
now its for people who want them for while they are at home, they barricade themselves to a bedroom/ensuite and alarm the rest at night

and yet the crime rate has dropped? yeah right

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

You might be surprised how handy the good old family Labrador is in situations like this.

issue is if some scumbag breaks in, and a bloody bichon bites them then the dog will get put down!
home defence rules need to be put down in black and white not airy fairy " fair and reasonable force" which is open to the interpretation of judge of the day in the court.

ok: most of us have knocked on the wrong house door in the evening, and getting beaten to a pulp/shot etc is completely ridiculous.
some of us may have had the emergency urinary relief on the side of the road, dont expect a beating etc either
but if you have physically broken into a house or business, especially knowing that there are people inside including children then god help ya from what happens

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

You might be surprised how handy the good old family Labrador is in situations like this.

Dogs can definitely sense a situation like that, I’m sure there are plenty of people around that have been surprised by what they thought was their harmless family dog, when it arcs up in a dangerous situation. 0 - 100 real quick

as a victim in NZ you are allowed to use "reasonable and proportionate force" in self defense. "Proportionate" is balanced against the level of threat or violence perceived by the victim. The perp admits he's lying on the floor holding a knife and intends to kill the farmer if he gets the chance. Surprised it was only a finger that cut. Hopefully the court/judge has a brain and some morals.
Original reporting by Stuff was truly awful, and flat out wrong (libelous) . They should be on trial as well. Media behaviour wont change unless there are consequences.

Originally Posted by 6x47

Fair enough but many people don't want aggressive dogs simply to deal with this problem, and more importantly, shouldn't have to consider that option.

assess the risk for yourself I guess

Originally Posted by chainsaw

as a victim in NZ you are allowed to use "reasonable and proportionate force" in self defense. "Proportionate" is balanced against the level of threat or violence perceived by the victim. The perp admits he's lying on the floor holding a knife and intends to kill the farmer if he gets the chance. Surprised it was only a finger that cut. Hopefully the court/judge has a brain and some morals.
Original reporting by Stuff was truly awful, and flat out wrong (libelous) . They should be on trial as well. Media behaviour wont change unless there are consequences.

When you fly the Donald Trump supporters flag on your farm the chance of anything positive towards you from this media would be less than minimal.

Originally Posted by 6x47

Fair enough but many people don't want aggressive dogs simply to deal with this problem, and more importantly, shouldn't have to consider that option.

I agree that you shouldn't have to consider that option but I'd like to add that the dog doesn't have to be at all aggressive. They make superb early warning systems, as the people saved from fire by their pet will testify.
Dog alerts family to fire | Ashburton Courier

Also, many guarding dogs aren't aggressive per se and are also family pets.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...d-teen-burglar


It appears these 'good citizens' intentionally cut the burglars finger off as part of 'rough justice'

If so, its clear you can't do that without being prosecuted IMO.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

Don't forget they beat the f... out of Bill before he got the better of them. He is lucky to be alive.

In the eyes of the law the fact that they 'beat the fuck out of him' is irrelevant. What they will focus on is what Bill and his son did to them, and at the time that they did it to them what the offender / victim was doing. ie you cant cut his finger off when he is lying on the ground and is no threat to you presently.

I agree. He is a bad little bastard and probably needs a beating administered to him.

They have no sympathy from me, but the law isn't interested in right or wrong or sympathy. Its only interested in what the law states and case law. If they get convicted they may get some credit for what has occurred that night, but they probably going to get smashed.

That seems to be happens to good people when things go bad.

Bad aye. All this does is encourages people to take things into their own hands and not tell the Police.

Originally Posted by Longrun

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...d-teen-burglar


It appears these 'good citizens' intentionally cut the burglars finger off as part of 'rough justice'

If so, its clear you can't do that without being prosecuted IMO.

That also depends on what religion you belong to as wall . Some Eastern and South East Asian religions have got that part dead right .

A quick thrashing with a hockey stick about the body in 'self defense' would suffice.

Originally Posted by HILLBILLYHUNTERS

That also depends on what religion you belong to as wall . Some Eastern and South East Asian religions have got that part dead right .

maybe you should go and live in these countries?