Thread: Idoits that get firearm licences

Criminal activity involving firearms, throw the book at them by all means.

Inexperienced users doing unsafe things, training and mentoring. Not long ago on here there was much delight in getting new folks applying for a FAL. I think that is a great thing!
BUT, when the card shows up in the mail that's when the real work begins. I would be reluctant to make the process of getting a license any harder, that will just put people off.
That's my thoughts. Could be wrong though.

Originally Posted by Joe_90

Criminal activity involving firearms, throw the book at them by all means.

Inexperienced users doing unsafe things, training and mentoring. Not long ago on here there was much delight in getting new folks applying for a FAL. I think that is a great thing!
BUT, when the card shows up in the mail that's when the real work begins. I would be reluctant to make the process of getting a license any harder, that will just put people off.
That's my thoughts. Could be wrong though.

I see it like getting a car licence, you maybe inexperienced but you have had the training and passed the test and are quite capable of driving and know the road rules
and the difference between the brake and the accelerator.
Getting your FAL shouldnt be easy, we talking about life and death situations. You need to have common sence and know the firearm code and follow it to the letter.
People that are defending this Idiot because hes inexperience need to take a reality check!
1. You just dont load your rifle while you at your house before you get to your hunting area or load the mag and put it in a car.

2 You make sure esp if the mags loaded that when you shut the bolt the rifle is safe and hasnt chambered a round.
These are just basic safety rules and pure common sence which should have been drummed into you before you passed your FAL

Only words for what happened here isnt inexperience but just a brainless act from someone that clearly either shouldnt have been passed or couldnt give a toss what the rules are,
Abit like a driver whose just got his licence deciding he can break the road rules and go 180km and lose control and kills someone .

Some on here seem to think dont be too hard on him, hes inexperience, shit happens....are you for real?? Its got nothing to do with inexperience, its all to do with being a total idiot
that shouldnt have been given a licence in the first place

Originally Posted by deer243

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Some on here seem to think dont be too hard on him, hes inexperience, shit happens....are you for real?? Its got nothing to do with inexperience, its all to do with being a total idiot that shouldnt have been given a licence in the first place

I don't disagree with you, he's an idiot who didn't follow basic rules. I stand by the view that practical training is a common failure.

Using the drivers license example, there is a lot of practical training and mentoring that takes place. Then a formal assessment where you can demonstrate your ability.

If you haven't had the opportunity to grow up around firearms and get the practical training drilled in it's a a fantasy to think the 2hr lecture from mountain safety council will do the job.

Putting more requirements in to say you need to do xyz hours of supervised range time could be beneficial. I suspect if you double the cost of a new FAL you'd half the new applicants.

What other solutions are there? Not trying to start any fights, would be a boring world of we agreed all the time

Originally Posted by Joe_90

I don't disagree with you, he's an idiot who didn't follow basic rules. I stand by the view that practical training is a common failure.

Using the drivers license example, there is a lot of practical training and mentoring that takes place. Then a formal assessment where you can demonstrate your ability.

If you haven't had the opportunity to grow up around firearms and get the practical training drilled in it's a a fantasy to think the 2hr lecture from mountain safety council will do the job.

Putting more requirements in to say you need to do xyz hours of supervised range time could be beneficial. I suspect if you double the cost of a new FAL you'd half the new applicants.

What other solutions are there? Not trying to start any fights, would be a boring world of we agreed all the time

well I got lynched when suggested a graduated licence for firearms...eg 6 months under supervision....then 6 mths where you can use solo BUT your firearms still stored at someone elses place......reason I believe that has merit is young fella cant get them to go off on poach with drinken mates if the fella holding his rifles says bugger off and sober up first...and turn up pissed again,you can find another sponser.
makes it hard for someone who knows no one......but there are work arounds for anything in life.
I believe many years back at MSC firearms lecture when police .38 revolver was passed around,it was found to have cylinder loaded!!!!

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

well I got lynched when suggested a graduated licence for firearms...eg 6 months under supervision....then 6 mths where you can use solo BUT your firearms still stored at someone elses place......reason I believe that has merit is young fella cant get them to go off on poach with drinken mates if the fella holding his rifles says bugger off and sober up first...and turn up pissed again,you can find another sponser.
makes it hard for someone who knows no one......but there are work arounds for anything in life.
I believe many years back at MSC firearms lecture when police .38 revolver was passed around,it was found to have cylinder loaded!!!!

The thing is plenty of Muppet sponsors exist, where do you think a bunch of guys learn to poach from, drink and shoot, spotlight, etc? The worst people i know of for getting shit faced and shooting ducks (and each other from shot coming of the pond aren't the young fellas...

Supervised licenses or even compulsory range time makes some sense but is a larger barrier for entry that some might imagine as without having a support network of hunters its quite difficult for many. It would effectively remove most without a close family member or friend from starting up. Which is turn risks the population of firearms owners dropping so much the little defense we can put up drops to nothing. People in remote areas without official firearms ranges would struggle with it. Id say compulsory range time also potentially leads to something similar to the pistol license where we all end up having to attend so much time a year which is a big ask.

Not really a solution just saying solutions aren't all simple and free from consequences. Firearms involvement in schools ideally is the best to instill a respect (not a fear) for firearms and teach some basics.

As for idiots I almost got kicked off a hunt as a wrangler in Canada as the hunter in front of me chambered a round constantly and had the barrel to the guides back even after id asked him not to and the guide who was in front told him off. I kept stopping him and having him unloaded it and it ended in a pretty big blowup after he got pissed at me. The guide didn't realize id been unloading his gun all day everytime i handled it and making him show me an empty chamber everytime we started walking so thought id been rude and me sent back to basecamp. The outfitter heard my story and headed back to camp with me to tell the client to pull his bloody head in and that he either had an empty chamber until we approved him to chamber a round or he could fuck off and if he got caught with one up the spout without our permission again he was going home. Needless to say the guide apologized and thanked me as he had no idea the guy kept flagging him and it wasn't just the twice off.

Client for some reason didn't tip me

Ps: This was in Canada not NZ

Originally Posted by Stocky

The worst people i know of for getting shit faced and shooting ducks aren't the young fellas...

On a river I used to shoot with a mate years back, the drunken guys shooting on the other side were the people supposed to be enforcing the rules!