Thread: Idoits that get firearm licences

I remember doing 14 days CB for a UD that I was sure I had not done anything wrong. Got my ass kicked for the 14 days.

Day 15 or 16, Armorers report came through.... Something like, fault located in trigger mechanism. Allowed firing pin to actuate without trigger pull upon release of cocking handle.

I was just pleased I hadn't personally made the mistake and I knew exactly where the muzzle was pointing when I let the bolt forward.

Shit happens, but it's not always because someone "is an idiot"

In saying that, how do you clean a loaded firearm?

In the end it don’t matter if you fail to observe rules 2 through 7, so long as you observe Rule #1, “Treat Every Firearm as Loaded”. That transcends all others and is the fail-safe, providing numpty nuts didn’t skip over it looking for the drugs and alcohol reference…

Idiocy with firearms not confined to young, inexperienced guys only...

Pretty much matches motorcycle accident stats.

Lots of young guys, but also older guys recently returned to the sport - they think they know everything and can't be taught a thing...

Having said that, I've also seen supposedly experienced people do some massively unsafe shit...

Originally Posted by ishoot10s

In the end it don’t matter if you fail to observe rules 2 through 7, so long as you observe Rule #1, “Treat Every Firearm as Loaded”. That transcends all others and is the fail-safe, providing numpty nuts didn’t skip over it looking for the drugs and alcohol reference…

And don’t forget “safe direction” always remember that one.

Criminal activity involving firearms, throw the book at them by all means.

Inexperienced users doing unsafe things, training and mentoring. Not long ago on here there was much delight in getting new folks applying for a FAL. I think that is a great thing!
BUT, when the card shows up in the mail that's when the real work begins. I would be reluctant to make the process of getting a license any harder, that will just put people off.
That's my thoughts. Could be wrong though.

Originally Posted by Joe_90

Criminal activity involving firearms, throw the book at them by all means.

Inexperienced users doing unsafe things, training and mentoring. Not long ago on here there was much delight in getting new folks applying for a FAL. I think that is a great thing!
BUT, when the card shows up in the mail that's when the real work begins. I would be reluctant to make the process of getting a license any harder, that will just put people off.
That's my thoughts. Could be wrong though.

I see it like getting a car licence, you maybe inexperienced but you have had the training and passed the test and are quite capable of driving and know the road rules
and the difference between the brake and the accelerator.
Getting your FAL shouldnt be easy, we talking about life and death situations. You need to have common sence and know the firearm code and follow it to the letter.
People that are defending this Idiot because hes inexperience need to take a reality check!
1. You just dont load your rifle while you at your house before you get to your hunting area or load the mag and put it in a car.

2 You make sure esp if the mags loaded that when you shut the bolt the rifle is safe and hasnt chambered a round.
These are just basic safety rules and pure common sence which should have been drummed into you before you passed your FAL

Only words for what happened here isnt inexperience but just a brainless act from someone that clearly either shouldnt have been passed or couldnt give a toss what the rules are,
Abit like a driver whose just got his licence deciding he can break the road rules and go 180km and lose control and kills someone .

Some on here seem to think dont be too hard on him, hes inexperience, shit happens....are you for real?? Its got nothing to do with inexperience, its all to do with being a total idiot
that shouldnt have been given a licence in the first place

Originally Posted by deer243

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Some on here seem to think dont be too hard on him, hes inexperience, shit happens....are you for real?? Its got nothing to do with inexperience, its all to do with being a total idiot that shouldnt have been given a licence in the first place

I don't disagree with you, he's an idiot who didn't follow basic rules. I stand by the view that practical training is a common failure.

Using the drivers license example, there is a lot of practical training and mentoring that takes place. Then a formal assessment where you can demonstrate your ability.

If you haven't had the opportunity to grow up around firearms and get the practical training drilled in it's a a fantasy to think the 2hr lecture from mountain safety council will do the job.

Putting more requirements in to say you need to do xyz hours of supervised range time could be beneficial. I suspect if you double the cost of a new FAL you'd half the new applicants.

What other solutions are there? Not trying to start any fights, would be a boring world of we agreed all the time

I'm always the most nervous when I'm cycling the 30/30 to empty the mag. Obviously observing a safe direction for the barrel but still gives me the hebi gebies

Originally Posted by The bomb

Have seen couple of lever actions go off while people were cycling rounds through to unload.

Originally Posted by The bomb

Have seen couple of lever actions go off while people were cycling rounds through to unload.

they need a gunsmith to look at them then. Possibly a weak firing pin spring or the sear/hammer surfaces are not the right angles.

For very rookie that makes a mistake I can give you an example of an experienced person that just 'knows better' and cant be told any different making the same or worse errors.

And that's without going into the MASSIVELY FUCKING RETARDED duck shooter that liked to get pissed on opening morning before blasting away at the sky every year. Fuck I hate those guys.

Originally Posted by Russian 22.

they need a gunsmith to look at them then. Possibly a weak firing pin spring or the sear/hammer surfaces are not the right angles.

Or they touched the trigger.
On my M94, the only safety is that you have to hold the lever closed aginst the stock, so it would be relatively easy to hit the trigger while closing and let off a round, which is why I always make sure it's pointed in a safe direction.

I agree there are no excuses. Firearms are not for everyone to begin with. Anyone who fucks up and isn't mortified at themselves has the wrong attitude.
Blaming the rifle for being "New"... Oh yeah in the manual it says "be careful of this rifle when its NEW, its likely to do anything really".

Originally Posted by Joe_90

I don't disagree with you, he's an idiot who didn't follow basic rules. I stand by the view that practical training is a common failure.

Using the drivers license example, there is a lot of practical training and mentoring that takes place. Then a formal assessment where you can demonstrate your ability.

If you haven't had the opportunity to grow up around firearms and get the practical training drilled in it's a a fantasy to think the 2hr lecture from mountain safety council will do the job.

Putting more requirements in to say you need to do xyz hours of supervised range time could be beneficial. I suspect if you double the cost of a new FAL you'd half the new applicants.

What other solutions are there? Not trying to start any fights, would be a boring world of we agreed all the time

well I got lynched when suggested a graduated licence for firearms...eg 6 months under supervision....then 6 mths where you can use solo BUT your firearms still stored at someone elses place......reason I believe that has merit is young fella cant get them to go off on poach with drinken mates if the fella holding his rifles says bugger off and sober up first...and turn up pissed again,you can find another sponser.
makes it hard for someone who knows no one......but there are work arounds for anything in life.
I believe many years back at MSC firearms lecture when police .38 revolver was passed around,it was found to have cylinder loaded!!!!

One I’ve seen a few times in huts is where guys chamber a bolt action round when unloading or hunting half cock. Don’t push bolt down, thereby on many actions the ejector doesn’t pick the round up when bolt cycled back. Bolt closed again on apparently empty chamber, accident now waiting to happen. I’ve see it go off once when the guy pulled the trigger as part of his safety check, barrel pointed at ground outside…. I’m admittedly paranoid about that.

Also think it’s nuts that Tikka need safety to be off to unload.

Flame me if you wish, but I don't think I have ever actually used the safety lever/switch on any of my hunting rifles. Ever.

It's either "safe" due to having nothing chambered or I am holding the half cocked bolt in the crook of my thumb to not allow it to close until needed.

Cross a stream? Eject round and push next one down, close bolt on empty chamber. Same for scrambling up a steep shitty section. Takes less than 10 seconds to render "safe" and cross obstacles etc but still allows for rapid (identified) shots.

Don't most Tikkas have detach mags now anyway? Even with floor plate rifles surely you would void the magazine first and then simply action the bolt open and inspect chamber?

As per OP, yeah the guy fucked up and it may have been serious. I don't disagree. But he also may not even have been aware he was about to fuck up.

Basic handling skills should be part of the license process. Demonstrate safe loading/unloading etc. But.... forcing new applicants into X amount of range days etc is a bridge to far myself. Not everyone can get to ranges easily and may already have someone who can help.