Thread: Insanity rules in the vetting process

Originally Posted by Coop

To play devil's advocate here. Isn't this what we want from the Justice system? A young fellow made some bad decisions 20 years ago, did his time and has come out of it for the better and from the looks of it hasn't reoffended since. He even runs a youth mentoring group focusing on young men that might be headed down the same path he did. Seems fine to me.

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Yeah man, you serve your time and you have paid your dues, that is the way our court system (if not society) works.

Originally Posted by Tahr

I put up the Stuff link about this chap wondering it it might cause a re-think about the indignation?

This guy is an aspirational role model and should be celebrated. Why should he be constrained?

Outrage is the easier option though

Originally Posted by Oscar

I see a clarification from COLFO - the initial article reads as if he is a firearms licence vettor. This is not the case (and for me, shouldn't be even though he has rehabilitated, sometimes there are no second chances). Clumsy wording in the report, he doesn't vet people for firearms licences.

Ok thats how I read itas well.

That gives me hope that one day my delinquent offspring may indeed be able to own firearms again.... Just have to live in hope the light is seen and corner turned...soon..please God...soon.

Originally Posted by inglishill

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Yeah man, you serve your time and you have paid your dues, that is the way our court system (if not society) works.

No it's not how it works, doing your time is part of your punishment. But you have acquired yourself a criminal record and that comes with lifelong implications, your 'dues' are never 'paid'. Our society does not simply forget your crimes when you walk out of prison.

Hell there are people having FAL issues with just speeding tickets.

I tell my boys to keep their noses clean if they want to travel overseas, if they want good jobs, or ... if they want a FAL. If you want the privileges society can afford you then keep out of trouble. This now sends a different message.

Lets be honest, there's more going on here than he just cleaned up his act.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

No it's not how it works, doing your time is part of your punishment. But you have acquired yourself a criminal record and that comes with lifelong implications, your 'dues' are never 'paid'. Our society does not simply forget your crimes when you walk out of prison.

Hell there are people having FAL issues with just speeding tickets.

I tell my boys to keep their noses clean if they want to travel overseas, if they want good jobs, or ... if they want a FAL. If you want the privileges society can afford you then keep out of trouble. This now sends a different message.

Lets be honest, there's more going on here than he just cleaned up his act.

So you are not a believer in redemption then? Fair enough.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

No it's not how it works, doing your time is part of your punishment. But you have acquired yourself a criminal record and that comes with lifelong implications, your 'dues' are never 'paid'. Our society does not simply forget your crimes when you walk out of prison.

Hell there are people having FAL issues with just speeding tickets.

I tell my boys to keep their noses clean if they want to travel overseas, if they want good jobs, or ... if they want a FAL. If you want the privileges society can afford you then keep out of trouble. This now sends a different message.

Lets be honest, there's more going on here than he just cleaned up his act.

I think that is the point. With VERY few exceptions, everybody who goes inside gets out. This guy is now a functioning member of society - and that is a whole lot better than the typical story. Around 57% of ex inmates reoffend within 2 years, and 37% or so are reinterred within 2 years of release - which would suggest serious reoffending. Something isn't working, and it's costing us a fortune in direct and indirect costs.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

No it's not how it works, doing your time is part of your punishment. But you have acquired yourself a criminal record and that comes with lifelong implications, your 'dues' are never 'paid'. Our society does not simply forget your crimes when you walk out of prison.

Hell there are people having FAL issues with just speeding tickets.

I tell my boys to keep their noses clean if they want to travel overseas, if they want good jobs, or ... if they want a FAL. If you want the privileges society can afford you then keep out of trouble. This now sends a different message.

Lets be honest, there's more going on here than he just cleaned up his act.

Understood. Said it to my lads. In this instant I think the message it sends is hope. Its says "do your time, behave in an exemplary manner and contribute to society, and you may regain some privileges. But we will not forget and many will never forgive".

Redemption: the action of regaining or gaining possession of something in exchange for payment, or clearing a debt.

Ive heard of people loosing a fal just over saying something. Yea the guy has done his time but 15 armed robberys????? Na sorry no fal from me. Do we let reformed rapists work in child care?

Quite ironic that he was a rugby player

Originally Posted by blip

Quite ironic that he was a rugby player

Perhaps he is going to try and be a Police Officer now.

The rehabilitation discussion is really interesting - as a firearms licence holder the conversations I've been a part of would indicate that the "clean slate" system would not be applicable, yet in certain cases people with extensive and serious offending turn up as examples where this is not the case.

It would be really interesting to have this laid out somewhere where we could look at a document that guides the thought process behind the issuing of FAL's in cases like this - why some get a "no, don't bother applying" and others are successful.

I think youll find its the same old different rules for different people. Youd think one rule for everyone would be a far simpler system to opperate but aplarently it musnt be

Originally Posted by blip

Quite ironic that he was a rugby player

League. That makes his reform even more commendable.

Originally Posted by inglishill

Perhaps he is going to try and be a Police Officer now.

At least he'd pass the physical