Thread: Italians and Firearms

Originally Posted by stug

re US Liberty one theory is that it was a false flag attack by Israel to make it look like the Egyptians did it, to get the US to attack Israel. It nearly worked, LBJ had planes flying to Egypt but they were re-called.
The planes and torpedo boats had no markings, and the first Israeli fighter pilot identified and radioed back the ship was US. He refused to attack and returned to base and was arrested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/but-...-her-1.5492908

The Israelis have a history of this. In 1954 Israel planted bombs in buildings and left evidence to make it look like Egypt did it, but one of the bombs went off early and the Israelis were discovered. In 1986 they sent a false radio signal from Tripoli to make it look like the Libyans were behind the Berlin (?) discotheque bombing to get Reagan to bomb Libya.

Here are a few others from other countries as well
https://www.mondialisation.ca/fifty-...ttacks/5505411

If a false flag operation, why immediately put your hand up and contact Americans and tell them what you've mistakenly done?

I've heard it said that Mossad was behind the 9/11 attacks too. Just as St Nicholas can be down every single chimney at Christmas, "the evil Jew" can really be hiding under every bed when something goes wrong.

Do a google image search for the evil jew cartoons. Too distasteful to post here, but the hatred is WAAYYY out of proportion for that little piece of Middle Eastern real estate for it to be faintly justified as "anti zionism". Jewish conspiracy theories are a tried and tested form of a particular racism, directed against Jews, but they are not the enemy - easy to forget since NZ has not been targeted by terrorist attacks for many years.

An interesting counter to my post found on my "the evil jew cartoon" search. Kind of contradicts me in its words...but not really in its smell.

Definitely racist, not just as an undertone.

I can see this thread going 'tits-up' fast.....I cant say too much,my other half IS a scientist... the few Italians I've personally known, I definitely wouldnt give a gun to, and as a technical (but non-practicing ) Jew, I would Never underestimate what Mossad gets up to..they are as mad as Italians....and DO know how to use guns..

Originally Posted by Friwi

Italian hunters are notorious for blasting around at pretty much anything. I am not saying it is all of them, but I knew a hunting guide on an estate in Scotland who would refuse to guide Italian hunters for that reason.

French hunters used to be terrible as well ( 1.2 million hunters for a population of 66 millions)
This past season 117 accidents with 17 deaths.
But the numbers of accidents are on a down trend , more and more hunters are now wearing blaze orange and hunters on driven hunts are shooting more and more from hunting platforms.
Wine during hunting lunch is not always helping either.
A lot of accidents happen during driven shooting, where a line of beaters is pushing game toward a line of armed men.( one of the two group has to be in the shape of U so as to maximise the effectiveness of the drive.)

An article about accidents in France ( google translate is your friend)
Chaque année, il y a une centaine d'accidents de chasse en France

Stop using the word "accidents". They are not.

Originally Posted by rewa

I can see this thread going 'tits-up' fast.....I cant say too much,my other half IS a scientist... the few Italians I've personally known, I definitely wouldnt give a gun to, and as a technical (but non-practicing ) Jew, I would Never underestimate what Mossad gets up to..they are as mad as Italians....and DO know how to use guns..

Are you suggesting that we compare pictures of Italian and Jewish tits and make our decision on racial superiority based on that ?? Sounds fair to me

Racial Superiority eh;......Well, I Do think, that the Israeli Leadership,should really consider, where 'That' kind of thinking led Adolf.... we all bleed red at the end of the day.... and I would love to be on the Panel, for the aforementioned comparison, but lets include all Nations, call it a tie, and declare a World-Wide holiday

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Are you suggesting that we compare pictures of Italian and Jewish tits and make our decision on racial superiority based on that ?? Sounds fair to me

Thanks for headlighting that solution.

Hunted in France over the last four seasons. I'll try to explain here how a day runs.
If you imagine a forestry block with guns spread around on three sides, as @Friwi said shaped like a U. You face inwards looking for the boar our deer. But you are only allowed to shot outwards! So you wait till they run past, through the line of guns.
When you get dropped at your stand, peg you go to it and set it up. (I place mine with a tree at my front so animals running from out of the block can't see me untill the last minute). Before setting up you take five steps away from your peg towards the next gun in line and the three out you build a small pile of leaves our sand you then do the same on the other side. This gives you your archs of fire. It stops you from swing through the line which is a big No No just as big as shooting into the block. You must wear high viz in fact you can't be on the shoot unless you are wearing Orange blaze this includes the beaters.
You also have a horn with a series of blasts that you warn other guns what is around. 1 long for walkers 4 short for stags 3 short for sow(not to be shot) 2 short for boar.
Before the day starts we meet for lunch at a restaurant and have a big meal. Some wine is drunk BUT NO ONE is drunk everyone one eats. I usually have a big stake with a pile of french fries. Something to keep me warm, it gets bloody cold standing in the woods.
After the lunch we met the game warden who makes sure we all have our license and shoot insurance. Also black orange and hunting horn. We then have the health and safety briefing which is very thorough! Then you are driven into the woods and do around four drives for the afternoon. The beaters walk very fast they also carry shotguns and are allowed to take Woodcock and boar if safe to do so.
Once it's finished we all gather back at the club rooms and have a look at what was shot. All game is then gutted weighted and tagged to be sold on. You can take a leg if you so want. We then meet inside for a drink and get a comedy run down on who did what over the drives. There's a lot of leg pulling (just like hunters the world over I expect.)
As I said at the start I've been doing this for four years, about to go again this month. I'd not be doing this if for one second I thought the guys I am shooting with were dangerous or drunk! It's a different culture, in the French culture it is very frowned upon to be drunk in public. Not like the English, NZ culture where you are encouraged to get legless.
It would be interesting to see the incident rate per head of population in France compared to NZ.
Having hunted in NZ England France Germany and Zambia my only incident happen in NZ. Saying this I'd still not go to Italy.

I was waiting for 'the Italian ' part ! You could have put this in the Jokes-section, under ; "minimalistic-humour".... interesting though, I dont usually associate hunting with France...and my opologies to Italians; I'm sure there are some very sensible Italians...and you guys are great to party with....