Thread: Media Firearms beat-up continues

Originally Posted by Natatale

And what outlandish claims have I made ??

How about this one...

Originally Posted by Natatale

Having semi auto 7.62 readably available to ANY person with a FAL is a recipe for a mass shooting.

Sweeping generalisation not supported by available evidence, looks like an outlandish claim to me. It may be your opinion and you're entitled to that, but it will go down better if you don't try to present it as a fact.

Ok so we have just taken up about 2 hours of our times, what else could you have done instead of arguing with me about my personal opinion ??

Originally Posted by GravelBen

How about this one...



Sweeping generalisation not supported by available evidence, looks like an outlandish claim to me. It may be your opinion and you're entitled to that, but it will go down better if you don't try to present it as a fact.

Ok sorry lets try it this way "In my opinion, having semi auto 7.62 readably available to ANY person with a FAL is a recipe for a mass shooting"

Actually the Military is trained to kill people with said firearms. Maybe they are the last ones who should own firearms in Civilian life?

Natatale please educate yourself and talk from a position of facts. The world is a lot bigger that just the US, Australia and UK. Many other Countries allow people to own semi auto firearms and have few incidents.

Unfortunately psychos will be psychos and kill people, some cultures seem too breed more than others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childe...rs_Hostel_fire


We will swallow a chill pill if you do.

@Natatale - thats better In my opinion you're wrong about that and having semi-auto rifles available to licenced owners does not significantly increase the risk of mass shootings.

PS it hasn't taken up 2hrs of my time because I just pop on for a few minutes, post and then go do something else. But it is far more interesting than washing the dishes.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Actually the Military is trained to kill people with said firearms. Maybe they are the last ones who should own firearms in Civilian life?

Natatale please educate yourself and talk from a position of facts. The world is a lot bigger that just the US, Australia and UK. Many other Countries allow people to own semi auto firearms and have few incidents.

Unfortunately psychos will be psychos and kill people, some cultures seem too breed more than others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childe...rs_Hostel_fire


We will swallow a chill pill if you do.

I agree and yep I'm into chill pills

Originally Posted by GravelBen

@Natatale - thats better In my opinion you're wrong about that and having semi-auto rifles available to licenced owners does not significantly increase the risk of mass shootings.

PS it hasn't taken up 2hrs of my time because I just pop on for a few minutes, post and then go do something else. But it is far more interesting than washing the dishes.

Hmm I'm can agree to dis-agree, who's up for a debate on the Rugby cup 2015

Originally Posted by Natatale

Why is my argument NOT valid ??? And what outlandish claims have I made ?? I said that they shouldn't be available to "un-trained" persons. In an "Ideal world" why do we need them ????

What's this 'ideal world' rubbish?

These claims of yours are outlandish (just plain wrong):

Originally Posted by Natatale

This is the same debate that we had in Oz, before some dick decided to kill 36 people with a semi auto 7.62. Soon made everybody realise that military style semi-auto weapons aren't safe in civilian hands, they were made for War and Killing on mass.

Not EVERYBODY came to that realisation. Some more reasonable people would've figured out that ANY firearm is not safe in the hands of someone with serious mental health issues.

MSSAs are NOT made for 'war and killing en-mass' - they lack the full auto functionality of a modern military rifle.

Originally Posted by Natatale

There are places for these types of weapons and NZ doesn't really need them !!

NZ is a great place to lawfully use a semi-auto 7.62, or any other cal, MSSA or not. NZ DOES need them. The Police and the NZDF for obvious reasons. But if by 'NZ' you mean NZers, for private use, then there's plenty of useful stuff an individual doesn't NEED.

Originally Posted by Natatale

Hey I'm Ex-Military and love using firearms, but can you tell me where are there military shooting clubs that can train the novice shooters to use semi auto military type weapons??
Please get it that military rifles in the hands of civilians without proper training and guidance is a recipe for a mass shooting.

You keep changing the terminology you use. You've said MSSAs, semi-auto 7.62, semi-auto military type, and military rifles. They're different things, and there's different rules for each. Please clarify which type of firearm, or which set of features you have a problem with an A-cat FAL holder using.

Originally Posted by Natatale

But what I cant believe is that NZ doesn't have a basic fire arms registry, just for starters.
Which just leaves it wide open for mis-use.

We had a firearms register, it did nothing to solve or reduce crime, so it was binned. Same thing has been found in other countries, such as Canada. Evidence-based policy making. More govts should try it in more areas.

Originally Posted by Natatale

I feel much safer right here thanks !

You are advocating for tighter rules, yet feel safer in NZ than Oz, with its more restrictive gun laws. Doesn't make sense.



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Originally Posted by Natatale

Hmm I'm can agree to dis-agree, who's up for a debate on the Rugby cup 2015

I am. But would prefer to have it with a Scott or Argie as the consecutive World Champs should have played either one of them in the final.😆




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Originally Posted by stug

Should the age someone can get a firearms licence be raised? - Opinion - NZ Herald News

A load of the most contrived left leaning socialist tripe as big as any Ive seen from this rag! whose the gutless wonder author -another journalistic excuse with no spine for a shiver to run up I wouldnt insult my arse by wiping it with this peurile crap!this is the sort of rigged shit you get on the bastion of intellectual paddling pools -trademe message boards.

Originally Posted by Natatale

This is the same debate that we had in Oz, before some dick decided to kill 36 people with a semi auto 7.62. Soon made everybody realise that military style semi-auto weapons aren't safe in civilian hands, they were made for War and Killing on mass.
So while America keeps on having mass shootings and we have people killing each other here, then the media will take every advantage to make headlines. We are so lucky with the gun laws that we have, but I think they are too relaxed and require some overhauling.
Age limiting isn't one that needs changing, semi-auto high powered weapons in un-trained would be a good start.

I could go on about the mass killings perpetrated in South Africa on a daily basis with handguns, semi-auto and select fire weapons of all types of calibres.

Does it stop citizens in that country from owning handguns, modern sporting rifles (i.e. semi-auto centrefire rifles)?

No.

Does it have any relevance to New Zealand?

No.

Should military experience count as some sort of prerequisite for owning a semi-automatic rifle?

No.

Originally Posted by Natatale

I'm sorry when was the last mass shooting ?? Did I miss something, I think it's gone a long way to make Oz a lot safer. There will always be shootings, get rid of guns totally, and the they will stab each other, take knives away they will stone each other.
We as humans are bloody dangerous creatures, always have been, and always will be, but limit to what we kill each other with, surely it will help the innocent bystanders from being shot in MASS. !!!

Not sure about mass shooting but the other week some bloke wearing pajamers walked into the police HQ, followed someone out and then shot them with a pistol. The fact that someone can get their hands on one of the most restricted weapons in one of the tightest gun control countries makes proves that the whole thing is pointless.

Originally Posted by Dan88

how does a registry stop mis-use? are the crims going to register their guns?

Well we register cars now and they never get misused or used in a crime so sounds like a perfect plan to me.

Originally Posted by Natatale

Ok sorry lets try it this way "In my opinion, having semi auto 7.62 readably available to ANY person with a FAL is a recipe for a mass shooting"

What an incredibly sad misguided individual.

I find it odd that the very people who say our gun laws should be made tougher are the same people who expect the "heavily armed " police or army to protect them (or is that that they only protect "Important People", Politicians or "Wealthy People" and possibly not the "Sheeple")

With firearms there are NOT "Degrees of Dangerousness" depending on the type.

For example with a MSSA being a semi over 7 rounds capacity, can someone explain how the 8th shot is more "dangerous'er" than the 5th, 6th or 7th ones


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