Thread: Media Firearms beat-up continues

Originally Posted by Beavis

So you reckon if we get rid of them, we won't have mass killings, or when we do, the shooter will kill people at a more acceptable rate, with something else?

Yep, the ignorance on the anti-gun side beggars belief frankly, even the so called academics dont seem to accept the statistics. Just reading the anti-gun comments and I can see how clueless they are.

Things like ban "assault weapons" yet most mass killings in the USA are with handguns. Which makes sense actually, easy to hide so you can get into the school un-noticed, and you dont want a "long ar15" when you walk into a class room. Surely you want a handgun (plus a spare in a holster) in each hand holding 15 rounds each or even one of those snail mags holding a shag load of rounds and just start blasting at 5metres.

had an interesting "discussion" with some americans they were all for banning ARs but wanted to keep their handguns for their own self-defence. Yets when I pointed out most killings were with handguns (accidents, mass killings, self-defence etc) they just could not accept that they and their handguns were the biggest problem and the easiest fix.

Originally Posted by steven

the easiest fix.

No such thing when it comes to gun control in the USA.

Even if you banned handguns today, you would still have 50-90 million in circulation. How many of those do you think would be voluntarily surrendered?

Originally Posted by Natatale

This is the same debate that we had in Oz, before some dick decided to kill 36 people with a semi auto 7.62. Soon made everybody realise that military style semi-auto weapons aren't safe in civilian hands, they were made for War and Killing on mass.
So while America keeps on having mass shootings and we have people killing each other here, then the media will take every advantage to make headlines. We are so lucky with the gun laws that we have, but I think they are too relaxed and require some overhauling.
Age limiting isn't one that needs changing, semi-auto high powered weapons in un-trained would be a good start.

I could go on about the mass killings perpetrated in South Africa on a daily basis with handguns, semi-auto and select fire weapons of all types of calibres.

Does it stop citizens in that country from owning handguns, modern sporting rifles (i.e. semi-auto centrefire rifles)?

No.

Does it have any relevance to New Zealand?

No.

Should military experience count as some sort of prerequisite for owning a semi-automatic rifle?

No.

Originally Posted by Natatale

This is the same debate that we had in Oz, before some dick decided to kill 36 people with a semi auto 7.62. Soon made everybody realise that military style semi-auto weapons aren't safe in civilian hands, they were made for War and Killing on mass.
So while America keeps on having mass shootings and we have people killing each other here, then the media will take every advantage to make headlines. We are so lucky with the gun laws that we have, but I think they are too relaxed and require some overhauling.
Age limiting isn't one that needs changing, semi-auto high powered weapons in un-trained would be a good start.

Fuck off back to Oz, ta

Originally Posted by gimp

Fuck off back to Oz, ta

*Says what we were all really thinking but didn't want to be so ruthless*

Originally Posted by Beavis

*Says what we were all really thinking but didn't want to be so ruthless*

It's his party, he chooses the music hahaha

Originally Posted by Tommy

It's his party, he chooses the music hahaha

In saying that, I like this song...

I just don't buy into the MSSA's are evil debate. It only takes one crazy person to point one loaded single shot rifle at an individual and pull the trigger for there to be a tragic loss of life. Now ask yourself, how many times could an accomplished handler do that before being overcome. If the crazy can do it multiple times then you have a mass murder. MSSA's or firearms of any kind are not the problem.

please define a high powered weapon? .50BMG .600 nitro?
Aussie has more gun crime than nz.

Originally Posted by Dan88

please define a high powered weapon? .50BMG .600 nitro?
Aussie has more gun crime than nz.

Yeah and there are a few million more Aussies so compare things in the right perspective, and can you quote me the gun death figures for both countries ???
And tell me what the fuck do you need with a semi auto 7.62, would you use it to stop a charging mob of goats from killing you ???
There are places for these types of weapons and NZ doesn't really need them !!

Originally Posted by Natatale

Yeah and there are a few million more Aussies so compare things in the right perspective, and can you quote me the gun death figures for both countries ???
And tell me what the fuck do you need with a semi auto 7.62, would you use it to stop a charging mob of goats from killing you ???
There are places for these types of weapons and NZ doesn't really need them !!

What do you need with a gun full stop? This is New Zealand. A first world country where normal people can buy meat from the supermarket. You don't need to hunt. What makes you think you should be allowed to own a high powered gun? How do I know you won't try and shoot me with it?

Originally Posted by Natatale

And tell me what the fuck do you need with a semi auto 7.62, would you use it to stop a charging mob of goats from killing you ???
There are places for these types of weapons and NZ doesn't really need them !!

Ummm... Weren't you looking for an SKS a while ago? Why the sudden change in attitude?

http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...mi-auto-23324/
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...ng-ammo-22300/
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...4/index2.html#

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Originally Posted by stretch

Ummm... Weren't you looking for an SKS a while ago? Why the sudden change in attitude?

http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...mi-auto-23324/
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...ng-ammo-22300/
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...4/index2.html#

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Hey no sudden change, I have the background and the experience to use one.
But what I cant believe is that NZ doesn't have a basic fire arms registry, just for starters.
Which just leaves it wide open for mis-use.

Originally Posted by Natatale

Hey no sudden change, I have the background and the experience to use one.
But what I cant believe is that NZ doesn't have a basic fire arms registry, just for starters.
Which just leaves it wide open for mis-use.

Really? What did registration get you in Aussie? The ability for your politicians to confiscate all your semis and pumps and later on handguns over 9mm. Now they are looking at lever actions. And you want that shit here? Who put you up to this thread reply? John Howard?

Originally Posted by Natatale

And tell me what the fuck do you need with a semi auto 7.62, would you use it to stop a charging mob of goats from killing you ???

That's a really dumb scenario. Hunting is a perfectly legitimate use for a semi-auto 7.62. I'm yet to be charged by a goat, but using my SKS on my last outing, I was able to kill 7 out of a mob of 8. I was limited by A-cat magazine capacity. Guess I should've had 7 in the mag AND one up the spout. That's my kind of mass shooting. Might've been able to get 2/8 with a both action if I were lucky.

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