Thread: Media Firearms beat-up continues

Originally Posted by Sideshow

Ok so you join a branch of the military do you get a firearms licence?

Had a funny conversation with a cop mate at one stage about him being qualified to use handguns, AR15s etc on duty if necessary but couldn't go shooting in his own time as he didn't have a licence. Good bugger with his head on the right way, think I'd still trust him more than most people with a gun.

A very interesting thread, with some very divided opinions...

Originally Posted by stretch

Q1. No.
Q2. No.
Q3. If your trade requires a vehicle licence, the army will train you and get you your vehicle licence in the relevant vehicle class(es). The Army has its own LTSA certified instructors for this.

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Yes already new the answer to this one.
But while in the forces how many times did you see dick next to you do something so stupid you thought bugger that could have been me us?!
Don't get me wrong here any body who serves to protect hats off in my book...but not all are trained the right way!
If you have been tought in one envorment dose not mean that you can't retrain for a new envroment.

Just to throw my 10c on the Military training discussion.

Not all military are fully trained in the art of war. All are trained during basic, but at a basic level. After that most would be lucky to fire their rifles more than a couple times a year, at the most.

Just because someone has "got some time up" it dosn't mean they are jungle fighting snipers that fly Wokkers, jumping out of C130's while firing their cruise missles. More than likely they are mechanic's, cooks, blanket counters etc that go to work just like Mr Civi

1/2 of them have to reminded that the sharp end is the bit that the bullets comes out of

Doesn't matter what role you have. In the Army for example so many civilian safety rules are pointless and not practiced that I think teeth arms especially have a different approach to safety. And would go as far as saying they would come out of the service as complacent.
I did.
If you sweep someone with a pistol in ipsc you are likely DQ and considered a safety risk.

You could be firing it to cover a withdrawal toward someone running straight back at you in the military especially during training.

Dunno about now as it may have changed but certain members of a patrol would be locked and loaded with safety off and auto selected for weeks on end whilst moving. If you are doing your job properly you would sweep other members of your team countless times.
I never gave it a second thought, it was a requirement.

My point being, soldiers are not imo, going to automaticly have better safety standards than civilians that have high standards.



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Hmm still not getting the point, don't care about military training, been there done that and I know what you are on about.
But how many of the wantabee shooters get hold of a sks and a 100 rounds and haven't a clue of ANY form of training, only 1 hour of a safety talk that got them their FAL.
I would love to see 1/2 a day on a range as part of the FAL process in place of the 1 hour safety talk. Surely that's got to help ???

The head of police/minister of police countered that question by quoting a shooting incident where the shooter aimed shot and killed his mate so he had just proved he knew how to aim accurately and hit his target so what more would a couple of hours at a range do for him?

There shouldn't be any 'wannabe' shooters, people are either licenced or should be under the direct supervision of someone who is licenced.
There is an exam at the end of their 'safety talk' in which one must demonstrate their knowledge and understanding of the subject matter, the following of which should in theory preclude any accident or incident. Not to mention referrals and interviews.
Quit making generalisations about us a user group to be a bunch of muppets. Anyone with a computer can read this forum, they shouldn't have cause to form a negative opinion of us.

Originally Posted by Natatale

Hmm still not getting the point, don't care about military training, been there done that and I know what you are on about.
But how many of the wantabee shooters get hold of a sks and a 100 rounds and haven't a clue of ANY form of training, only 1 hour of a safety talk that got them their FAL.
I would love to see 1/2 a day on a range as part of the FAL process in place of the 1 hour safety talk. Surely that's got to help ???

1) What difference does it make whether a "wannabe" shooter gets and sks, a jw15 or whatever?

2) Who is going to run this half a day on the range?

3) Whose range are you going to use? Some towns and rural areas have no range.

4) How is your half a day on the range going to stop people from shooting at each other in the field, when the range is nothing like the bush?

5) Who's going to pay for all this?

Originally Posted by Beavis

1) What difference does it make whether a "wannabe" shooter gets and sks, a jw15 or whatever?

2) Who is going to run this half a day on the range?

3) Whose range are you going to use? Some towns and rural areas have no range.

4) How is your half a day on the range going to stop people from shooting at each other in the field, when the range is nothing like the bush?

5) Who's going to pay for all this?

Australia.

I would think it very very rare for someone in New Zealand to apply for their license who has not had previous experience with firearms. and by experience I mean has at least fired a gun of some sort. most people applying for a FAL would probably have mates or family who are interested in shooting and from whom they caught the bug.

Two of the biggest idiots I have ever shot with, both in unrelated time and places, were both ex army. Just saying

Originally Posted by Natatale

Hmm still not getting the point, don't care about military training, been there done that and I know what you are on about.
But how many of the wantabee shooters get hold of a sks and a 100 rounds and haven't a clue of ANY form of training, only 1 hour of a safety talk that got them their FAL.
I would love to see 1/2 a day on a range as part of the FAL process in place of the 1 hour safety talk. Surely that's got to help ???

No I don't think you do.
My first centrefire WAS an SKS, long before I had any military training. The Mountain Safety Instructor made it very clear to us that a semi auto could be just as safe as any other gun, you just have to always remember that another round is loaded after you fire it. It is also very easy to check the chamber in an SKS (or SLR) and see if you have a round in the chamber or magazine. Very simple safety also. NEVER had an incident...
The Mountain Safety Instructor also warned us about tube magazines. Much more dangerous as they require a more work to check properly. I know of several untended discharges with tube fed firearms. Some bolt actions are also harder to check.

Originally Posted by Pointer

Two of the biggest idiots I have ever shot with, both in unrelated time and places, were both ex army. Just saying

I hope one of these idiots wasn't me Pointer because I can't ever remember every shooting with you. Have I? Surely not! Can't have could I?

Hmm ok so all shooters are perfect, with a perfect FAL system and no one will ever shoot anybody else so what more can I say, nothing !!