Thread: Media Firearms beat-up continues

In my opinion and experience.... it is a good, simple, robust, tenable system, where by far the majority do the right thing.

This chap is anything BUT 'fit and proper'. http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti...ectid=11541131

Originally Posted by stretch

This chap is anything BUT 'fit and proper'. Alarming Facebook photos: 'Aucklander' holds machine gun, poses with Isis flag and declares 'holy war'

Faaaaaark.... And this is just the one stupid enough to put that on a public facebook post.

Ha, can't blame that rooster for wanting to change his name, what a mouthful.
Hopefully that's just an airsoft BB gun for show.
I'm glad the Feds are on to him.
Religion cool eh !

No... blaming religion for nut jobs is no different than blaming guns for nut jobs...

In fact its actually worse and even more inaccurate... most extremists ignore what their religion teaches....because they are nut jobs..

Religion's got the same guilt by association bullshit that firearms have got.... try to be a little smarter than that....

Originally Posted by Sidney

No... blaming religion for nut jobs is no different than blaming guns for nut jobs...

In fact its actually worse and even more inaccurate... most extremists ignore what their religion teaches....because they are nut jobs..

Religion's got the same guilt by association bullshit that firearms have got.... try to be a little smarter than that....

Is not quite the same thing. To be religious by definition you have to believe in a particular higher power without any concrete proof that he\she\it exists. Once you start accepting ideas because of "faith" and you are in the same dubious group of people who believe in a flat earth and homeopathy.

Also in Islam the punishment for apostasy (leaving the faith or questioning its fundamental beliefs) is defined in the Qur'an is death so you can't deny that is a violent religion.

I am not saying Islam is any worse than any other religion, just that they are all illogical and violent.

Originally Posted by stretch

This chap is anything BUT 'fit and proper'. Alarming Facebook photos: Aucklander holds machine gun, poses with Isis flag and declares 'holy war'

So the GCSB is reading all of emails to protect us all from "terrorism" and they found out about this bloke by reading his Facebook posts?

One day religious belief will land you outside the 'fit and proper' classification.

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Originally Posted by stretch

One day religious belief will land you outside the 'fit and proper' classification.

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Hearing voices in your head used to be enough for the pope to make you a saint. These days they call it schizophrenia.

Originally Posted by Natatale

This is the same debate that we had in Oz, before some dick decided to kill 36 people with a semi auto 7.62. Soon made everybody realise that military style semi-auto weapons aren't safe in civilian hands, they were made for War and Killing on mass.
So while America keeps on having mass shootings and we have people killing each other here, then the media will take every advantage to make headlines. We are so lucky with the gun laws that we have, but I think they are too relaxed and require some overhauling.
Age limiting isn't one that needs changing, semi-auto high powered weapons in un-trained would be a good start.

Fuck off back to Oz, ta

Originally Posted by MassiveAttack

Is not quite the same thing. To be religious by definition you have to believe in a particular higher power without any concrete proof that he\she\it exists. Once you start accepting ideas because of "faith" and you are in the same dubious group of people who believe in a flat earth and homeopathy.

Every human being has beliefs that don't have conrete proof. If you deny that then I'd be inclined to think you're delusional.

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Evidence that Mohamed existed? Plenty of that. Evidence that he was a military leader and that his followers conquered large parts of the world? Also plenty of that. More evidence than for many historic figures that we accept as real. I guess they are just following their leader...

However The biggest butchers in history have mostly been Atheists like Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler etc trying to achieve some sort of very earthly goal (power).

People can be led to do all sorts of evil stuff if you have the power and techniques to convince them (and they let you do it).

You can even convince people that gun owners are bad people if you control the press!

Originally Posted by gimp

Fuck off back to Oz, ta

*Says what we were all really thinking but didn't want to be so ruthless*

Originally Posted by Natatale

Hmm ok so all shooters are perfect, with a perfect FAL system and no one will ever shoot anybody else so what more can I say, nothing !!

Nah that is one of the biggest points. Nothing is ever perfect. There will always be some stuff ups and errors. Just part of life.