Thread: Morrinsville Shooting

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

This may get me crucified but here goes. The speed which frontline police replied with small arms fire proves they are armed at all times, now if suitable training was mandatory as well we might not have this current 3 ring circus. Police firearms training appears to be woefully inadequate.

I think there might be a difference between being "armed at all times" and having guns locked in a safe in the boot of a squad car.

The media releases say it was only when the second squad car arrived that police returned fire.

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

This may get me crucified but here goes. The speed which frontline police replied with small arms fire proves they are armed at all times, now if suitable training was mandatory as well we might not have this current 3 ring circus. Police firearms training appears to be woefully inadequate.

Marty they might be better with Black Powder arms, give them a smoke screen to hide behind?

I must admit I looked at the grouping of shots on the windscreen and felt he wasn't aiming at the policeman. If he could group that tight he could easily have shot the policeman.

What if the Police car was 2up, did the shooter know there was only a driver. Kudos to the NZ Police risking their lives in the middle of the night for you, how many of you away from a computer board would do such a thing. It would of taken some skill to shoot a group like that or a fluke, either way he fired at police and the outcome for him may not be so good. Just hope that no more shots get fired at our brave Force or they get injured or worse. Be save and I hope for an good outcome soon, only a matter of time I guess as he will now be a Nigel no friends.

Originally Posted by Gapped axe

What if the Police car was 2up, did the shooter know there was only a driver. Kudos to the NZ Police risking their lives in the middle of the night for you, how many of you away from a computer board would do such a thing. It would of taken some skill to shoot a group like that or a fluke, either way he fired at police and the outcome for him may not be so good. Just hope that no more shots get fired at our brave Force or they get injured or worse. Be save and I hope for an good outcome soon, only a matter of time I guess as he will now be a Nigel no friends.

+1 Who would want to be a copper,shot at while you sit in a car.Hope the mongrel waves his gun in their direction.Game over,save our taxs looking after the bastard.

Originally Posted by Sidney

Good point though. it looked like good grouping to me.. it was also left side of the police car... so if directed it appears that he wasn't aiming at the driver

Ah Sidey, already thinking of defence strategies ? Of course a single photo on the internet must mean you know exactly where the shooter stood, the angle at which the bullets entered the windshield and where they eventually ended up, right

The shooter may of been aiming at the driver but his shots grouped passenger side, how would any of you know unless you were detailing the crime scene???

Someone told me a while back that the police get 30 rounds each to practice with for the year is that true ? glocks with a 9 pound trigger pull ?, in situations like this they should be able to unleash some serious fire power if they had of used a rocket launcher job done could have been sitting back at the social club drinking a well earned speights on Saturday night

I was secretary for our pistol club for the last year and can only speak on what I have witnessed about police firearms training while in that role.
I had to invoice them for use of our facilities.
I was also present on many of their range days but did my best to not get in the way.
I will say this. The members that use our range spend a lot of time using it and their trainers are top notch. I served with 2 of them in the military.

They do their best with what they have. Time and money appear to be their largest obstacles.

It is the bean counters that are responsible for any lack of training imo.

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I think you might be surprised at how many senior front line staff are carrying pistols on the job, a lady from work husband is a Sargent & she said he always carrys one now on nights duties. Scumbags hopped up on meth, etc aren't rational folk to deal with.

Originally Posted by Boaraxa

Someone told me a while back that the police get 30 rounds each to practice with for the year is that true ? glocks with a 9 pound trigger pull ?, in situations like this they should be able to unleash some serious fire power if they had of used a rocket launcher job done could have been sitting back at the social club drinking a well earned speights on Saturday night

Surley 30 rounds is not true. Shit I use 100 rounds a week at pistol club

Originally Posted by ebf

Ah Sidey, already thinking of defence strategies ? Of course a single photo on the internet must mean you know exactly where the shooter stood, the angle at which the bullets entered the windshield and where they eventually ended up, right

Nah... it was purely an observation.. I drew no conclusions. I just object to others drawing them for me.

Originally Posted by outdoorlad

I think you might be surprised at how many senior front line staff are carrying pistols on the job, a lady from work husband is a Sargent & she said he always carrys one now on nights duties. Scumbags hopped up on meth, etc aren't rational folk to deal with.

We were routinely carrying on CIB car duties in the early 80s....

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Originally Posted by Sidney

We were routinely carrying on CIB car duties in the early 80s....

Yep I remember my brother in law with a pistol on his belt back then. Mine you my mates brother worked for the BNZ and he carried as well. Aaaaahhhh the good ole days!!