Thread: Nazis successfully complete invasion 70 years later

While aware of the horrors of Socialism/Communism we may be reluctant to discuss it in case it somehow lets the Nazis off the hook. Really, it IS a given that even if everyone does something bad it does not absolve anyone else. But ignoring widespread bad behaviour does not help objective historical enquiry. We could also exclude from our discussion the equally imperial aspirations of Britain, Germany, France and Russia, the universality of antisemitism and the post-WW1 humiliation of Germany - but we'd never learn anything useful.

Nazis were people, just like us. That should scare us. But Germans have learnt more lessons than other peoples. On my recent holiday which included Germany I noticed German cities and towns all have their own war cenotaphs that they must maintain as they're there, as is proper. There is the occasional nonsensical inscription like "Died for our Freedom", but less frequently than in the English speaking world based on my observations, it is usually muted to the bare truth, like "Our Fallen". One tiny chapel in a small village had a black and white passport size picture of a lot of young men, I did not have time to count, with their names. The nazi death cult really brought in the grim reaper. Back home again, a phrase like "Our Glorious Dead" does not belong on any cenotaph but rather on a Nazi Poster, tucked away in a library.

The extremes of political belief be they left or right, are simply the glossy veneer over the soul of sick,selfish bastards.

Intrestingly going through some sociology/criminology stuff and turns out alot of the far left and right leaders have been genuine, what is now diagnosed as phycopathes. Politics seems to attract that inclinded individual.

@Walker, high-functioning psychopaths are with us everywhere, often in chief exec positions, usually moving on to their next high-paid job before the damage they wreak catches up.
@GDMP, I get those reasons, really do. But problem is the Nazis had the same reasons. The language deflects the bereaved from holding perpetrators in government to account for their very inglorious widow/orphanhood. But maybe people knew anyway but preferred the shared lie as it gave some comfort. Not blaming them for that. The dead do not come back no matter how much you scream and hammer at the wall.

Originally Posted by Ryan

Are you actually an accredited historian? Or just trying your hand at comedy?

Instead of pearl clutching and breathlessly repeating the same rants about being "offended" and "holocaust denial", re-read my posts. All of your above accusations were previously addressed.

I am certain I have taught more history than you. My wife thinks I'm funny. Other people, less so.
What clutching? Pearls?
My dear chap, your posts were written by a guy who didn't know the Nazis were fascists, is seemingly unaware that democracy is a basic tenet of socialism, and hasn't understood that Stalin's Russia was not really communist.
Anyway. It's your keyboard. I can't stop you typing.

Originally Posted by GDMP

If there is one thing I have worked out about Govt in general.....it is that they are usually the problem, rather than the solution.

yup 100001%correct-pity you couldnt claim a payrise for stating the very fucking obvious -no im not taking the piss.ive personally nursed 3 ladies whose families were executed and put up the chimney and seeing those three Auscwhitz tattooes courtesy of the SS just makes me realise what ignorant cunts humans can be . those ladies were absolute ladies warm engaging genuine -didnt need to be given this but they were and to them i bow my head in respect.
if ya dont like what ive said fucking tough -i wont resile one iota!.
my late ex FIL was Charley Uphams batman at one stage-and his lifelong friend/racehorse trainer.Ive hear Charles Hazlett Upham VC&bar comment on the nazis -in a single word HATRED+
Reeneactors -well not my cup of tea ,but if the want to replay rommel in the desert -live&let live considering Rommel in all his brilliance was forced to suicide by this mob ofparanoid incestuous heathen syncophants!

Originally Posted by Maca49

You just offended me, what the fuck do I do now!!

Melt like a snowflake

Originally Posted by GDMP

What a rambling,nutty reply.....

really wiseass who are you johny come lately -yet another fucking keyboard expert eh big boy??

1 million Waffen SS soldiers, many of whom conscripts, couldn't all fit into those KZ Lager guard towers. What a hateful rant @kotuku

Had to look that one up, a very funny idiom @GDMP, these threads are very entertaining but not really worth losing sleep over. It's all very old news we are discussing after all.

pearl-clutching - English
Etymology: From the image of a genteel woman clutching her pearl necklace in shock.
Adjective: pearl-clutching (comparative more pearl-clutching, superlative most pearl-clutching)
(idiomatic, derogatory) Prim, prudish, or easily offended.
Related terms: pearl-clutcher

Anyway, while researching "pearl clutching" I found these very entertaining cartoons from the US, largely irrelevant to NZ of course, except perhaps the first two which are universal, the trump of truth over evil...

Nazism was a big user of political correctness. If anything, PC may be a more reliable marker of nazi / totalitarian tendencies than SS re-enacting. What a totalitarian regimes needs most of all? Sheep.

In this drawing he got the Truimpant hairstyle right.

a bit grotesque

you can sit and pick things out of this one for a while. I love the squawking spotter monocular atop.

Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

I am certain I have taught more history than you. My wife thinks I'm funny. Other people, less so.
What clutching? Pearls?
My dear chap, your posts were written by a guy who didn't know the Nazis were fascists, is seemingly unaware that democracy is a basic tenet of socialism, and hasn't understood that Stalin's Russia was not really communist.
Anyway. It's your keyboard. I can't stop you typing.

Those are some interesting definitions. "democracy is a basic tenet of socialism" not sure where that meets state control of supply and distribution. There

I also thought that the basis of communism was state ownership of land.

Originally Posted by ebf

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guys, for the love of dog or whatever you believe in, give it a rest...

go for a walk, have a wank, do whatever you need to do to stop discussing politics on the forum PLEASE !

It’s not politics...it’s history. If you don’t like it don’t read it


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Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

I am not stretching the truth. Seven years of parades and posters doesn't suddenly make mass murderers out of peaceful people. They had a deeply anti-Semitic culture, which the Nazis made government policy.

I have noticed people de-criminalising and inventing excuses for the Nazi in the last few years or so. There seems to be a new generation of young men growing up who dont want the Nazis to be bad guys. There is some kind of glamour there which they must still find attractive. Youtube is full of it.

And frankly, the men doing that re enacting in the article are the same. I saw the same crowd, at MOTAT once. They had all their Nazi army uniforms and some cars and so forth. There wasn't one of them under the age of forty and they were all running around breathing heavily pretending they were in a war and were 21 year old Nazi supermen. It was all vaguely embarassing and unsettling at the same time. Just don't. There has to be a better fantasy you can act out with your mates.

Nowhere have I attempted to excuse the nazi,s only point out some facts which the Majority of historians agree with, the problems in Germany started after WW1 with the reprimands demanded by the French , the Then German government blamed the bankers, unfairly , ( when did you last here of a politician/ leader owning up to there mistakes) who happened to have a number of Jews amongst them, so the indoctrination of the people did not start and end within seven yrs.

Originally Posted by Taff

Nowhere have I attempted to excuse the nazi,s only point out some facts which the Majority of historians agree with, the problems in Germany started after WW1 with the reprimands demanded by the French , the Then German government blamed the bankers, unfairly , ( when did you last here of a politician/ leader owning up to there mistakes) who happened to have a number of Jews amongst them, so the indoctrination of the people did not start and end within seven yrs.

Tapping into an inexhaustible vein of antisemitism of course, which well predated WW1. From "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" 1903 forgery to Martin Luther's inexcusable 1543 rant on "The Jews and Their Lies". The protocols are still circulated, many an anti-zionist have read them and feels himself well-informed...