Thread: Nazis successfully complete invasion 70 years later

Socialism - A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Communism - A theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

OK definitions of the net, but that's about how I understand it. None of the western countries mentioned are socialist but have some socialist policies i.e. wealth redistribution. Even the US has social security, even if it's not great. Some countries have nothing ie no job no food no nothing.

I don't think anyone here would debate how evil the Nazis were, but to paint the Communist's as any better, especially Mao and Stalin is a gross distortion of history.

I think re-enactors often do the Germans because they had smarter uniforms, better gear, better guns. Naught to do with fascination with nazism.

Here is a 1910 postcard for us all to take in, reflect on, and even like. It SHOULD really not be a big deal to see the odd Hakenkreuz but we are conditioned otherwise...



Best wishes for the coming year, you all.

guys, for the love of dog or whatever you believe in, give it a rest...

go for a walk, have a wank, do whatever you need to do to stop discussing politics on the forum PLEASE !

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guys, for the love of dog or whatever you believe in, give it a rest...

go for a walk, have a wank, do whatever you need to do to stop discussing politics on the forum PLEASE !

It’s not politics...it’s history. If you don’t like it don’t read it


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While aware of the horrors of Socialism/Communism we may be reluctant to discuss it in case it somehow lets the Nazis off the hook. Really, it IS a given that even if everyone does something bad it does not absolve anyone else. But ignoring widespread bad behaviour does not help objective historical enquiry. We could also exclude from our discussion the equally imperial aspirations of Britain, Germany, France and Russia, the universality of antisemitism and the post-WW1 humiliation of Germany - but we'd never learn anything useful.

Nazis were people, just like us. That should scare us. But Germans have learnt more lessons than other peoples. On my recent holiday which included Germany I noticed German cities and towns all have their own war cenotaphs that they must maintain as they're there, as is proper. There is the occasional nonsensical inscription like "Died for our Freedom", but less frequently than in the English speaking world based on my observations, it is usually muted to the bare truth, like "Our Fallen". One tiny chapel in a small village had a black and white passport size picture of a lot of young men, I did not have time to count, with their names. The nazi death cult really brought in the grim reaper. Back home again, a phrase like "Our Glorious Dead" does not belong on any cenotaph but rather on a Nazi Poster, tucked away in a library.

The extremes of political belief be they left or right, are simply the glossy veneer over the soul of sick,selfish bastards.

Intrestingly going through some sociology/criminology stuff and turns out alot of the far left and right leaders have been genuine, what is now diagnosed as phycopathes. Politics seems to attract that inclinded individual.

@Walker, high-functioning psychopaths are with us everywhere, often in chief exec positions, usually moving on to their next high-paid job before the damage they wreak catches up.
@GDMP, I get those reasons, really do. But problem is the Nazis had the same reasons. The language deflects the bereaved from holding perpetrators in government to account for their very inglorious widow/orphanhood. But maybe people knew anyway but preferred the shared lie as it gave some comfort. Not blaming them for that. The dead do not come back no matter how much you scream and hammer at the wall.

1 million Waffen SS soldiers, many of whom conscripts, couldn't all fit into those KZ Lager guard towers. What a hateful rant @kotuku

Anyway, while researching "pearl clutching" I found these very entertaining cartoons from the US, largely irrelevant to NZ of course, except perhaps the first two which are universal, the trump of truth over evil...

Nazism was a big user of political correctness. If anything, PC may be a more reliable marker of nazi / totalitarian tendencies than SS re-enacting. What a totalitarian regimes needs most of all? Sheep.

In this drawing he got the Truimpant hairstyle right.

a bit grotesque

you can sit and pick things out of this one for a while. I love the squawking spotter monocular atop.

Had to look that one up, a very funny idiom @GDMP, these threads are very entertaining but not really worth losing sleep over. It's all very old news we are discussing after all.

pearl-clutching - English
Etymology: From the image of a genteel woman clutching her pearl necklace in shock.
Adjective: pearl-clutching (comparative more pearl-clutching, superlative most pearl-clutching)
(idiomatic, derogatory) Prim, prudish, or easily offended.
Related terms: pearl-clutcher

@Apollo

National Socialism and Internationalist socialism were both genocidal ideologies, notwithstanding modern revisions of the latter (which however appear to have gone unnoticed by Mao Zedong and Pol Pot.

Very interesting article on precisely this issue, for those interested.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...m-1186455.html

FFS leave the politics out of this forum

FFS, have some of you forgotten the name of this web-site? New Zealand Hunting and Shooting

I take it neither of you read the interesting article then? (-:

When did the history of genocide stop being interesting???