Thread: New FAL waiting time

A firearms licence consists of three interviews for a a standard A-Cat licence. 4 interviews for a B-Cat, C-Cat and D-Cat licence. You have referee's that cancel at the last minute because it doesn't suit themselves and that delays the whole process. You have applicants that have no security installed because they don't intend to buy a rifle but want to borrow a mate's rifle. Previous to all this the applicant and his referee's have to have the Arms Officer process the application and prepare the interview documents for the vetting officer/s specific to the applicant and each referee. Then then once all the interviews are completed along with the recommendations from the vettor/s and returned to the Arms Officer for approval or not. The file may then be requested for an audit. It's not a driver licence or a passport.

Obviously, certain districts in the country are not performing as well as they should for whatever reason and that is rightly completely unacceptable and frustrating for applicant's in those areas. However, the pressure is now being applied to said areas by the new Firearms Regulatory Unit who are trying to get all areas up to speed and completely consistent across the country.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

A firearms licence consists of three interviews for a a standard A-Cat licence. 4 interviews for a B-Cat, C-Cat and D-Cat licence. You have referee's that cancel at the last minute because it doesn't suit themselves and that delays the whole process. You have applicants that have no security installed because they don't intend to buy a rifle but want to borrow a mate's rifle. Previous to all this the applicant and his referee's have to have the Arms Officer process the application and prepare the interview documents for the vetting officer/s specific to the applicant and each referee. Then then once all the interviews are completed along with the recommendations from the vettor/s and returned to the Arms Officer for approval or not. The file may then be requested for an audit. It's not a driver licence or a passport.

Obviously, certain districts in the country are not performing as well as they should for whatever reason and that is rightly completely unacceptable and frustrating for applicant's in those areas. However, the pressure is now being applied to said areas by the new Firearms Regulatory Unit who are trying to get all areas up to speed and completely consistent across the country.

What a load of weasel piss

This "police force" couldn't clear out a bunch of smelly tinfoil hats off the lawn of parliament,
Couldn't secure a database in Auckland instead leaving out a laundry list of FAL details for crooks to steal
and now people like you are making apologies for their utter shambles of a job they are pretending to do in terms of licensing

If I was as crap at my job as the police are at licensing I should rightly expect to get fired

So what accountability do we have?

Hand out a license to Tarrant without checking that his mates knew him beyond gaming forums? - Oh, the office was under pressure
Lose a whole lot of people's FAL details in a burglary in a police station? - No further action will be taken
Wanting to take photos and details of young maori kids like some kind of weirdo pervs? - oh that's completely normal

The fact that these eedjits couldn't organise a fuck in a whorehouse and absolutely nobody up and down the length of the country gets made responsible for this shitshow is appalling

The police need some serious reform and it needs to start at the top

Originally Posted by 308

What a load of weasel piss

This "police force" couldn't clear out a bunch of smelly tinfoil hats off the lawn of parliament,
Couldn't secure a database in Auckland instead leaving out a laundry list of FAL details for crooks to steal
and now people like you are making apologies for their utter shambles of a job they are pretending to do in terms of licensing

If I was as crap at my job as the police are at licensing I should rightly expect to get fired

So what accountability do we have?

Hand out a license to Tarrant without checking that his mates knew him beyond gaming forums? - Oh, the office was under pressure
Lose a whole lot of people's FAL details in a burglary in a police station? - No further action will be taken
Wanting to take photos and details of young maori kids like some kind of weirdo pervs? - oh that's completely normal

The fact that these eedjits couldn't organise a fuck in a whorehouse and absolutely nobody up and down the length of the country gets made responsible for this shitshow is appalling

The police need some serious reform and it needs to start at the top

I understand that but it hasn't got anything to do with what I was referring re. the Arms Safety and Cotrol entity and the Arms Officers and vettors who now come under their control. They're at least trying to expedite renewal and new license applications.

Oh my...two years of waiting, and 3 times of interview for A-Cat...my license arrived only took 3 months from application in Akl, one interview with two referees, my wife was not there with me, thus I will need to provide third referee. Maybe is because the third referee is very persuasive and reliable more than just a friend I knew, who knows but it was very fast.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

I understand that but it hasn't got anything to do with what I was referring re. the Arms Safety and Cotrol entity and the Arms Officers and vettors who now come under their control. They're at least trying to expedite renewal and new license applications.

But they aren't really trying, are they?

If they were trying they would have identified their errors and fixed them and yet their mistakes persist and grow larger. That is my point - they are either hostile or incompetent and because I am charitable i prefer to think of plod's approach to FAL owners as incompetent

They are a public service branch that has failed providing a service and are in need of reforming until they do

It goes far beyond just incompetence. It is deliberate obstruction for a given & paid for right.

There is clear evidence this is a global trend if you can read outside of our jurisdiction.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

I understand that but it hasn't got anything to do with what I was referring re. the Arms Safety and Cotrol entity and the Arms Officers and vettors who now come under their control. They're at least trying to expedite renewal and new license applications.

I know someone who has been waiting 18 months, it's an inexcusable shitshow

Originally Posted by 308

But they aren't really trying, are they?

If they were trying they would have identified their errors and fixed them and yet their mistakes persist and grow larger. That is my point - they are either hostile or incompetent and because I am charitable i prefer to think of plod's approach to FAL owners as incompetent

They are a public service branch that has failed providing a service and are in need of reforming until they do

It's deliberate, clear as day.

Mate just got his done in 3 months including some mumbo jumbo he had to get via a mail from the uk because he lived their for a couple of years pretty good

Originally Posted by Tommy

I know someone who has been waiting 18 months, it's an inexcusable shitshow

Just because some districts are underperorming for whatever reason/s doesn't mean all districts are. I know the area I live in has a 3-4 month turnaround. Of course that is dependent any referee's living in my district or one that has interviews done promptly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village

Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin

@cambo - some applications drag on because they are incomplete, or there are queries. The vettor discussed this briefly, and I could really feel his frustration. The other thing that really gets to them is when your life priorities aren't aligned with theirs, and they get last minute cancellations, for ridiculous reasons. My vettor said he can do 8 interviews a day. He has had days where 7 of those cancelled on him. Those 7 need to be rebooked, so more delays. I'd be happy for them to stay at the back of the queue.

even long before covid just calling up and asking what the progress of your application would speed it along

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Just because some districts are underperorming for whatever reason/s doesn't mean all districts are. I know the area I live in has a 3-4 month turnaround. Of course that is dependent any referee's living in my district or one that has interviews done promptly.

Even 3 or 4 months is a joke really. I can understand if you have naughty boy/girl but for most that have ticked all the boxes and all the paper work filled in, referees in the same town it should be max 8 weeks. And i mean max. I have always made my referees people that are easy to contact

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Just because some districts are underperorming for whatever reason/s doesn't mean all districts are. I know the area I live in has a 3-4 month turnaround. Of course that is dependent any referee's living in my district or one that has interviews done promptly.

I mean, thinking 3-4 months is acceptable.... I got security clearances and referee interviews for my last job in under 2 weeks. What's really that different? Some people have been waiting over 2 years. Another mate has started it 3 times, they just lost the paperwork a couple times. Like I said, shitshow

Changes to the ACT maybe coming...again?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...cence-renewals