Thread: New government will rewrite Arms Act

The body language of the three gents announcing the new govt and policies indicated to me that they were quite proud of what they had acheived.

Originally Posted by XR500

The body language of the three gents

But, gender diversity.

Originally Posted by XR500

The body language of the three gents announcing the new govt and policies indicated to me that they were quite proud of what they had acheived.

And rightfully so!

I was very very pleasantly suprised by their announcement. Very well done! Especially after the shitshow of the past 6 years.

Originally Posted by XR500

The body language of the three gents announcing the new govt and policies indicated to me that they were quite proud of what they had achieved.

Yeah, nah.

They're proud to have done a self serving deal which puts themselves in power.

It remains to be seen how much of the promises are delivered on and whether the delivery matches the expectation.

Remember promises are cheap to make and expensive to deliver on.

Regarding repeal of laws around clubs and ranges.
I'm involved with many clubs and three ranges.

There was some work involved in getting the ranges to the appropriate standards and inspected.
It wasn't onerous work and has improved the ranges.
All these ranges have passed their inspections.

Other ranges needed to fail to buck up the ideas of those range operating organisations.
Some ranges were/are simply dangerous and shouldn't be operating.
These ranges and their operators need to change.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Yeah, nah.

They're proud to have done a self serving deal which puts themselves in power.

It remains to be seen how much of the promises are delivered on and whether the delivery matches the expectation.

Remember promises are cheap to make and expensive to deliver on.

Regarding repeal of laws around clubs and ranges.
I'm involved with many clubs and three ranges.

There was some work involved in getting the ranges to the appropriate standards and inspected.
It wasn't onerous work and has improved the ranges.
All these ranges have passed their inspections.

Other ranges needed to fail to buck up the ideas of those range operating organisations.
Some ranges were/are simply dangerous and shouldn't be operating.
These ranges and their operators need to change.

If the ranges were so dangerous how come the number of accidents/incidents on ranges is so low? And have been for so long.
And when you look at those statistics think about the New Zealand roading system and the number of accidents/incidents that happen daily.

It makes me question the standard applied to ranges when they don't build roads to the same standard.

Originally Posted by 19Badger

If the ranges were so dangerous how come the number of accidents/incidents on ranges is so low? And have been for so long.
And when you look at those statistics think about the New Zealand roading system and the number of accidents/incidents that happen daily.

It makes me question the standard applied to ranges when they don't build roads to the same standard.

I'd hazard a guess that most range users aren't on third and subsequent etc and therefore the ranges are generally only used by people who have a bit of common sense. Any dropkick can learn to drive a motor vehicle regardless of licensing or registration or even having lawful possession of the vehicle. I am far more concerned about the pissed cu*ts in my town driving then I'll ever be about ad hoc community "ranges" we lost.

I'm far too cynical to believe much will change. They have at least promised to look into it and that's absolutely bloody fantastic... but when I read the words "... and review whether the Firearms Registry is improving public safety..." I don't get warm fuzzies at all. Those who are going to be asked to justify the registry are of course going to be able to justify it beyond reproach and convince the government its absolutely necessary. The only thing that will help is if the community is proactive in communicating their feelings directly to the ministers and questioning every scrap of evidence that is presented in support of it.

The greater majority do not understand why it is not going to work and fear-mongering leads them to believe they will be safer because of it. Clearly nobody is safer but the MSM have done a great job of pushing the agenda and that means education is required to show why its not the solution. Education is going to cost money. Be prepared to front up with some money if you want positive change. I can assure you the "anti" lobby sure as hell will be.

Immediately begin to repeal etc.
Some seem to have focussed on "immediately" and ignored "begin"
Change to law is a slow process,
GPM.

What did you guys expect would happen? "registry disbanded 5 minutes after the meeting" ?

Of course they will have to come up with sound reasoning! The reason why a firearms registry is a silly idea is exactly what everyone has been saying for months/years: it costs $ and achieves nothing! But just because a few grumpy old shooters say so does not mean its true for the wider NZ public.

National have themselves said repeatedly that they would look at the cost-to benefit aspect of it. And that assessment will be very clear (if not done by ideologues, which I doubt it will).

This is a big win! and much more than we could have hoped for!

Originally Posted by STC

What did you guys expect would happen? "registry disbanded 5 minutes after the meeting" ?

Of course they will have to come up with sound reasoning! The reason why a firearms registry is a silly idea is exactly what everyone has been saying for months/years: it costs $ and achieves nothing! But just because a few grumpy old shooters say so does not mean its true for the wider NZ public.

National have themselves said repeatedly that they would look at the cost-to benefit aspect of it. And that assessment will be very clear (if not done by ideologues, which I doubt it will).

This is a big win! and much more than we could have hoped for!

Dead right it is, I am pleasantly surprised.

I want to see winnie in charge of how much funding the media recieves....

Originally Posted by blip

I want to see winnie in charge of how much funding the media recieves....

now that would be entertaining.

A simpler and cheaper way would be to just cut all funding. Why would the taxpayer have to pay for blatant propaganda?

"I don't get warm fuzzies at all. Those who are going to be asked to justify the registry are of course going to be able to justify it beyond reproach"

I get that, but with Nicole McKee responsible for firearms they may not be able to be able to do so beyond "reproach".

Time will tell

It is nice to read something positive about our government and our sport/hobby.

Made me smile.

This is a sign that we can be heard and can move things
This is what I voted for

If we all support the minister who best represents our interests and push back harder against the gun grabbers because they will not go away

Congrats to Nicole and more power to your elbow mate