Thread: New government will rewrite Arms Act

If it happens it will be good. Just like the seperation of powers in Government it is necessary for gun rights to be removed from the police who have assumed a role of judge and executioner. The deafening quiet from the author of our current laws shows how she understands how the weather vane of public sentiment changed. Like Key she bolted before she was tossed out.

@Cyclops…I’d be interested to know if your “Input” has been garnished or requested by anyone within this “new”govt.

Not blowing smoke up your arse,but you seem well versed in this subject,I think most would agree that the road (posts on this subject)you are taking is sound and based on a lot of involvement in the area of gun ranges….emotion is cheap,balanced thinking and ideas not so much

When I got the email I felt a huge sense of relief.

Like there maybe some shreds of NZ left for my children to enjoy after all.

Greetings All,
We have mostly had a sleep on yesterdays news so what does it all mean? Here is my 2 cents worth.
Centrefire semi autos. Not even mentioned. I think that these are gone for good. Many forget that National voted unanimously to ban them along with everyone else other than the one ACT MP at the time.
Registration. This has been kicked down the road in the review of cost effectiveness of firearms law. It is hard to see anything other than a report prior to the next election. Parliament is going to be a pretty busy place with all the other promises that have been made so any legislation on this is unlikely before 2027.
Ranges. This is the big one. Repeal of the current Part 6 will need to be replaced with something. Currently Pistol Ranges need to be approved and NRA ranges have, I believe, been self regulated. The Range Manual is likely to remain as a means of compliance for range safety as were previous range manuals issued by MSC and later police and the responsibility for their safety will rest solely with those that operate or use them. Watch this space.
Regards Grandpamac.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Centrefire semi autos. Not even mentioned. I think that these are gone for good. Many forget that National voted unanimously to ban them along with everyone else other than the one ACT MP at the time.

This was always going to be a contentious issue and one that ACT made very clear any possible changes would only occur after serious public consultation and open minded hearings. ACT has made the point that semi auto centrefires have been available for pest control and for collectors anyway so there would not be much change under their proposals, this is an indication of where their thoughts are. So I agree wide access to semi autos is unlikely but what eventually happens will depend on how good a rational argument we shooters can put up at the consultation, submission and select committee stages. A strong united voice with rational arguments might lead to surprising changes. OTOH I suspect that too many people suggesting US style 2A and self defence rules might not help our case!

Some actors are shifting from:

Labour are going to win, resistance is futile

to

National will win and keep the registry, resistance is futile

to

They have promised to look into it, it will stay, resistance is futile

They will undoubtedly shift to:

Labour will re-introduce it after next election, resistance is futile.

I am very glad that their efforts have not succeded in deterring a large majority of the hunting and shooting community from exercising their right to vote for change.

I would be very surprised if we would not see the right steps to changes coming very soon. If ACT fail to deliver on that one within the next three years they will lose a shitton of votes. They are not leftist morons, they know and understand that. Just like winnie knows that he needs to deliver the things he promised, which I am also looking forward to by the way.

But those that either have mal intent in mind or believe they can outcomply socialist bs will continue to claim its going to stay. Facts do not matter to ideologues. Lets prove them wrong.

I am not usually one to comment on political based items but have felt for a long time (years) that there has been a relentless campaign waged against the firearm community, both private and commercial. From tying up couriers, making ranges hard to operate, introducing over complicated procedures for licensing (dealers get a 46 page document to complete EVERY year - think about that next time you question your gunsmiths or suppliers bill) and a vast array of other items that I am sure you are aware of.

It has seemed that almost every week there has been some other hurdle to have to comply with just to go about your lawful business.

Anyway, today I woke to a brighter future and a real hope that in some small way it appears that things will actually get a little better for a change.

Have a good weekend all.

Darren

The Section 6 rules for ranges were an interesting beast - some smaller outfits that had been around a long time but running on the smell of an oily rag probably could have really benefited from a review of their operations, but a lot of the larger and newer setups were forced into a complete wholesale rewrite of their documentation which was arguably already compliant and meeting the requirements. This was simply because it wasn't in the new proscribed format - re-writing everything to put it into the new required format and shifting were things were recorded took a hell of a time for some outfits which was literally just a waste of (voluntary) labour hours and didn't achieve anything for safety on the operation of the facility.

I'm hoping that brains prevail and commonsense means that a rubber stamp approach (what works at the sampled facility used as the template for the paperwork will work everywhere) will get kicked to touch and provided the requirements are met outfits can do what works for them...

Just words at this this stage yes, but as the govt is yet to be sworn in words are all that is possible. This is as good as it could be, theses are good words. Today is a good day.

Write to Nicole and show you support her. She is very good to deal with and one of the few mps that will actually get back to you. That alone speaks volumes..

Originally Posted by blip

Write to Nicole and show you support her. She is very good to deal with and one of the few mps that will actually get back to you. That alone speaks volumes..

Actually a damn good point, many take the trouble to write to complain, no so may take the trouble to write to say thanks. Do you have an email address or postal address that you could share.

Originally Posted by blip

Write to Nicole and show you support her. She is very good to deal with and one of the few mps that will actually get back to you. That alone speaks volumes..

You’re right, I’ve had a reply back from Nicole. We are lucky to have her on our side.

When I was a child I thought fairytales began with "once upon a time..." . Now, a couple of years on, I've realized that they really begin with "if I am elected...".

I'd be delighted to be proven wrong.

My cautious optimism over the announcements re firearms legislation is tempered by my cynical pessimism that it was announced by politicians......
I will say this however, removing the police from firearms licensing may be the best part of the coalition agreement and having Nicole in a position to drive change may result in common sense workable legislation.

Ill try and pm it. Not sure if its the right thing to do putting it on forum unless mods think its ok?