Thread: New gun security laws

the onus should be on people to not steal our guns, not us to have to comply with expensive onerous security requirements that have no evidence of their efficacy

Originally Posted by gimp

the onus should be on people to not steal our guns, not us to have to comply with expensive onerous security requirements that have no evidence of their efficacy

Maybe when we live in a fantasy land, morally I agree but know that it would never work.

I can't recall from the top of my head an E-cat safe being accessed up here except one where the dick put the key to it in a weak safe right beside it, which also contained the bolts etc, the safe also happened to contain C-cat assault rifles and pistols Nice guy, but really?!?! However the vast majority I've come across have been taken from unsecured houses or pathetic a-cat security.

Sorry, rant over.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Maybe when we live in a fantasy land, morally I agree but know that it would never work.

I can't recall from the top of my head an E-cat safe being accessed up here except one where the dick put the key to it in a weak safe right beside it, which also contained the bolts etc, the safe also happened to contain C-cat assault rifles and pistols Nice guy, but really?!?! However the vast majority I've come across have been taken from unsecured houses or pathetic a-cat security.

Sorry, rant over.

Can I ask what you class as "pathetic a-cat security"?

Im not having a dig but am genuinely curious. When organising the security of my firearms I took it very serious and would like to think others do too. While i dont have an e-cat safe (cost was prohibitive) I would like to think I have done what I can to avoid being part of the problem.

Originally Posted by gimp

the onus should be on people to not steal our guns, not us to have to comply with expensive onerous security requirements that have no evidence of their efficacy

You've got to be kidding? Dream on. Thieves are exactly what the name implies and we will always have them. Why make it easier for them to steal your firearms. There is plenty of evidence that stringent B, E and C security requirements work at stopping opportunistic thieves from getting access to the firearms within. Professional criminals are a different matter but they're probably not likely to target your place unless you advertise the fact that you own those category firearms.

Originally Posted by Pineapple

Can I ask what you class as

Im not having a dig but am genuinely curious. When organising the security of my firearms I took it very serious and would like to think others do too. While i dont have an e-cat safe (cost was prohibitive) I would like to think I have done what I can to avoid being part of the problem.

While your question is directed at Savage1, I can assure you there are plenty of examples of "pathetic a-cat security" out there. The problem is that the original regulations are out of date regarding A cat security. A gun cabinet made out of thin MDF that can be broken into 30 seconds or a thin walled metal locker that can be jimmied open in the same time with a screwdriver are common examples.

Originally Posted by Pineapple

Can I ask what you class as "pathetic a-cat security"?

Im not having a dig but am genuinely curious. When organising the security of my firearms I took it very serious and would like to think others do too. While i dont have an e-cat safe (cost was prohibitive) I would like to think I have done what I can to avoid being part of the problem.

Anything that entry can be gained with only basic hand tools in little time. Cables and chains around rafters and cylinders are a joke.

I've seen many pathetic A-cat approved cabinets which I could access in seconds without any tools, just with a few swift kicks.

I'd like to see E-Cat security as a minimum, it's not overly expensive, but I believe the most important requirement with a safe is how they're fixed, bolted on two faces is a must, or at least bolted on the bottom and large bolty screw thingys on the back, I've seen too many safes been ripped from the floor with a crowbar or no tools even. I've even ripped one out myself with a hooligan bar, took less than thirty seconds.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Anything that entry can be gained with only basic hand tools in little time. Cables and chains around rafters and cylinders are a joke.

I've seen many pathetic A-cat approved cabinets which I could access in seconds without any tools, just with a few swift kicks.

I'd like to see E-Cat security as a minimum, it's not overly expensive, but I believe the most important requirement with a safe is how they're fixed, bolted on two faces is a must, or at least bolted on the bottom and large bolty screw thingys on the back, I've seen too many safes been ripped from the floor with a crowbar or no tools even. I've even ripped one out myself with a hooligan bar, took less than thirty seconds.

I know where your coming from having had mates and family take the cheapest option that might keep their kids from accessing, but that's all. But where does it end with firearm security when there is little if any deterrent from the courts when the few thieves and unlicensed that are caught ( probably pulled up in the first place for exceeding the speed limit). In smaller communities it doesn't take a genius to know who owns firearms.