Thread: New gun security laws

I think it was the Hyscor brand or something like that hunting a fisting was peddling, they got rejected by police as being not up to spec

I call


To start with, A cat fire arms are not required to be stored in a safe.

Cheers
Pete

I thought it was a bit strange thats why I asked. Might go in and talk to one of the guys I know there during the weekend, see if I can get a look at this apparent letter.

Originally Posted by Skitsokiwi

I thought it was a bit strange thats why I asked. Might go in and talk to one of the guys I know there during the weekend, see if I can get a look at this apparent letter.

@Skitsokiwi

If us do get a peek at it, take a photo of it an post it up for us all to see.

Cheers
Pete

A gun safe is quite a lot more robust than any 6mm steel gun cabinet ever will be. Gun cabinets are not gun safes.

There are some E cat gun cabinets that have been sold that have been certified by a registered engineer that have had no actual testing done on them. Also they have not been certified by a qualified locksmith.

Obviously, it's in our best interests to have stringent security standards for E, B, and C category firearms. The regulations regarding A category need upgrading IMHO. Firearm theft should be a concern to all of us who love our sport. Lets not give the anti-gun brigade and media more ammo (so to speak) to take pot shots at us.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Obviously, it's in our best interests to have stringent security standards for E, B, and C category firearms. The regulations regarding A category need upgrading IMHO. Firearm theft should be a concern to all of us who love our sport. Lets not give the anti-gun brigade and media more ammo (so to speak) to take pot shots at us.

Do you really feel an E cat gun is any more deadly than an A cat gun?

I know you mean well, but this is part of the issue, we accept their horrible made up definitions and classes as fact and as if they make sense....

Originally Posted by Jexla

Do you really feel an E cat gun is any more deadly than an A cat gun?

I know you mean well, but this is part of the issue, we accept their horrible made up definitions and classes as fact and as if they make sense....

I know where you're coming from, however it really doesn't matter what I think about the E cat firearm classification. The law makers have decided that MSSA firearms are potentially more lethal and that's it (at least for now).

My main concern is with the poor level of A cat firearm security out there. The licence holder of an A cat is often unaware that their security is inadequate because it was passed as being okay up to ten years ago. Some just don't think they'll ever be robbed and some don't seem to care one way or the other. Some grew up in the era of having the .22 situated behind the washhouse door and haven't got over it.

One thing for sure is that more and more criminals are using firearms. In this age of aggressive drugs what responsible person wants a P fuelled criminal getting there hands on any firearm? Surely common sense should tell us that the tougher the security the harder it is a criminal to steal your firearm and use it in a crime or sell or trade it to an organized crime gang.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

One thing for sure is that more and more criminals are using firearms.

Is that really 'for sure' though? Based on what data? Or is it just a throwaway line trotted out by the media (and that goon from the police union) to drum up reactions without any supporting evidence?

Originally Posted by GravelBen

Is that really 'for sure' though? Based on what data? Or is it just a throwaway line trotted out by the media (and that goon from the police union) to drum up reactions without any supporting evidence?

Such data is confidential. Nothing to do with the person you're referring to or the bull that the media churns out either. They have their agendas for sure.

Do you really think that firearms related crime has fallen or stayed static in NZ? Might have something to do with methamphetamine, although that's just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Do you really feel an E cat gun is any more deadly than an A cat gun?

I know you mean well, but this is part of the issue, we accept their horrible made up definitions and classes as fact and as if they make sense....

I do, there's a reason the army uses the Steyr over the Tikka T3.

Originally Posted by Savage1

I do, there's a reason the army uses the Steyr over the Tikka T3.

We'll ignore the fact that the army do use a bolt action rifle and that the Steyr is select fire shall we?

Sounds good.

Originally Posted by Jexla

We'll ignore the fact that the army do use a bolt action rifle and that the Steyr is select fire shall we?

Sounds good.

It took you longer to bite than I expected, do you really think c-cat is more deadly than a-cat?

@P38 I'll try my best, I'll talk to the my shooting buddy that was told all this again tomorrow as well.

the onus should be on people to not steal our guns, not us to have to comply with expensive onerous security requirements that have no evidence of their efficacy

Originally Posted by gimp

the onus should be on people to not steal our guns, not us to have to comply with expensive onerous security requirements that have no evidence of their efficacy

Maybe when we live in a fantasy land, morally I agree but know that it would never work.

I can't recall from the top of my head an E-cat safe being accessed up here except one where the dick put the key to it in a weak safe right beside it, which also contained the bolts etc, the safe also happened to contain C-cat assault rifles and pistols Nice guy, but really?!?! However the vast majority I've come across have been taken from unsecured houses or pathetic a-cat security.

Sorry, rant over.