Thread: New gun security laws

Originally Posted by Beavis

Probably just trolling

Probably??? Whats this Probably business...?

Actually, it seems by the tone of his posts that he has a very different perspective to firearms ownership and use than we do. For what its worth, our Police are not the ones he does not like. I suspect he does not yet realise what we have down here.....

Perhaps a product of the awesome US education system, not realising other countries in the world have freedom.

Yeah.. have to admitt some of the safes i've seen arent exactly what i'd call secure..

Originally Posted by Bunker

Yeah.. have to admitt some of the safes i've seen arent exactly what i'd call secure..

Given your user name I would assume you have very high security standards

gunnerjacky sounds like an ideal person to have access to firearms.
Nothing like self admitted hatred to balance you decisions on.

I hope your kids get far away from you as soon as possible and find a way to undo the rot you have no doubt instilled in their poor minds.
For some reason I picture you and your friends in white hooded robes..............

Originally Posted by gunnerjacky

I have a deep hatred for the Police. They have this history of doing whatever they feel like. We cannot rely on police to protect us from the criminals. We ought to get firearms safety training and own a gun for the safety of our family.

unfortunately we have here a classic example of the fact that even DNA has shortcomings.
pal ,wherever you are id suggest you give us a miss and try ultra rightwing /national socialist type forums ,sure they'd adore you.

Actually know a close friend that works at hunting and fishing and have had a similar talk but not everything in your original post is true... I haven't read all 12 pages so forgive me if I'm repeating someone else's answer
To be short they have stopped stocking "ECAT" safes as new regulations are coming into place where a locksmith and engineer have to provide a cert for the safes now. Nothing has changed regarding ACAT. H&F will still sell you an ECAT safe but they need to order certain pre approved ones from there supplier to stop them from getting in the shit for selling you a supposed ECAT when really it's only an ACAT.

Hope this helps

From Otago Arms Officer today

"The report that comes with the safe is sufficient."

Originally Posted by Skitsokiwi

Hey guys

Friend of mine recently went into our local h&f to inquire about their e cat safe prices. He was told not to bother as they had received a letter from the police stating that they no longer recognise any of the current e cat safes as approved methods of storage no matter the cert they have and have put a hold on all e and a cat storage checks or something along those lines. The reasoning is that they are going to an approved police engineer that will be the only one able to certify a firearms safe etc and each safe will have to be individually approved not just a model of safe. Apparently due to some safes being approved when really they shouldn't be and the police having no "control" over the certifier.

Anyone else heard anything about this happening?

Tauranga AO currently auditing E cat safes doing sight inspections making sure they comply.

So I wonder what happens of they decide they don't comply?

Originally Posted by Beavis

So I wonder what happens of they decide they don't comply?

Don't know mate both my home builds comply

According to http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...nts-pol67n.pdf, the minimum lock standard for Strongrooms, Rooms of stout construction, Steel boxes and cabinets, and Safes is a 5-lever Mortice lock complying with BS3621.

Strongrooms, Steel boxes and cabinets, and Safes require 2x locks, while Rooms of stout construction seem to only require 1. That fucks my safe.

From a security perspective, I wonder how a Group 1 combination dial compares to a 5-lever mortice lock.

Originally Posted by stretch

According to http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...nts-pol67n.pdf, the minimum lock standard for Strongrooms, Rooms of stout construction, Steel boxes and cabinets, and Safes is a 5-lever Mortice lock complying with BS3621.

Strongrooms, Steel boxes and cabinets, and Safes require 2x locks, while Rooms of stout construction seem to only require 1. That fucks my safe.

From a security perspective, I wonder how a Group 1 combination dial compares to a 5-lever mortice lock.

Buggers me too, my safe only has one digital combo lock with a single key lock backup. It would be interesting to know how many people have the Sentry Safe like me and how the police are going enforce their "new rules"? I was planning on building a "room of stout construction" anyway, but whats to stop them changing their mind on that too?

I think basically everybody is fucked.

Originally Posted by stretch

According to http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...nts-pol67n.pdf, the minimum lock standard for Strongrooms, Rooms of stout construction, Steel boxes and cabinets, and Safes is a 5-lever Mortice lock complying with BS3621.

Strongrooms, Steel boxes and cabinets, and Safes require 2x locks, while Rooms of stout construction seem to only require 1. That fucks my safe.

From a security perspective, I wonder how a Group 1 combination dial compares to a 5-lever mortice lock.

Yet the last AO I spoke to (last week) said only 3 models had been reapproved, including the Kilwell one. Kilwell Deluxe 10 Gun Safe - E-Cat Key Lock | GD-10K | Kilwell Sports Ltd. Strangely enough, the picture shows it only having ONE lock.