Thread: New gun security laws

Emotions run high on our rights and responsibilities, we should be able to enjoy our sport without worrying about somebody pinching our hard earned toys. Unfortunately our hobby's tools are more appealing to criminals than a skier's.

I would feel shithouse if mine got pinched even tho they can be replaced be insurance.

Tighter security measures wouldn't worry me too much ( a few grand in a 800 dollar safe spot or a few grand in a glorified cupboard)

Let's not argue the finer points of the alphabet AbCdeF. Geee why can't we all just agree.

While some people have issue with the police, I have always been polite even when in the wrong and it has gone fine. No matter what walk of life you will always strike assholes.

If you bump into more than 2 assholes a day.... Maybe your the asshole

Police inspector says gun and knife crime has stayed steady or declined. Maybe I'm not just making it up with the statistics available to me?

"Glossop said gun and knife crime had remained steady or declined across most districts, which was an encouraging trend."

The surprising items wielded as weapons in New Zealand | Stuff.co.nz

WE MUST CHANGE THINGS TO MAKE OUR LIVES HARDER TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TERRIFIED OF THAT oh it doesn't actually exist

Overall statistics showed firearms made up about 10 per cent of weapons offences, while sharp instruments; knives, glass bottles etc. accounted for 20 per cent.

Glossop said gun and knife crime had remained steady or declined across most districts, which was an encouraging trend.

But he said he was concerned about people carrying around weapons or keeping them in their car for protection - which could be an offence without a lawful excuse.

The danger, he said, was the risk of weapon escalation.

"If the baddies start thinking everybody's armed with something then they'll carry a bigger weapon and before you know it we're talking about firearms and before you know it we're going to hell in a handbasket.

"Too many people think it's OK to keep possession of something that they'll carry with them to protect themselves. If everybody starts doing that then we may as well move to America."

Nailed it. Too many people keep possession of something that they carry to 'protect' themselves, and that's where Police should be directing their actions. Perhaps if more strident measures were policed, a South Auckland 2 year old wouldn't have been killed by a shotgun kept under the bed. How the shotgun got there and why should be a top priority.

sawn off shotgun owned by a non licensed owner at that. this is what the cops should make the focus of any gun laws not the law abiding

As per the original post for this thread, was it security ? And just how said firearm ended up in the wrong hands. Not every FAL holder is law abiding

Originally Posted by Kscott

Not every FAL holder is law abiding

Here's a few from a couple of minutes googling:

John Mowatt
The Bedroom Murders: 29 shots, 3 people dead. Why? - National - NZ Herald News

Peter Edwards
Man jailed for selling guns to gang | Radio New Zealand News

Dale Jenner
Gun stash on show - news - waikato-times | Stuff.co.nz

John Mabey
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10593826

Re-railing this thread

- Has there been anything in the media on this? Not that I've seen and those muck raking turd-farmers are always onto this crap like it's 1/10th of the threat they portray it to be.

Ps "turd-farmer" is my fav insult for the week. Funny AF imo

Latest info from Firearms Owners United is that there are no approved BCE category safes and that police will have to approve a certain make and model for compliance. It sounds like the issue may stem from dodgy Chinese manufacturers, who have sent compliant samples and then cut lots of corners come production time.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Latest info from Firearms Owners United is that there are no approved BCE category safes and that police will have to approve a certain make and model for compliance..

This is something he was told outside of FOUNZ, don't take it as fact. Could be completely untrue.

Unfortunately the police are not very good when it comes to communication and are just saying, yeah nah lots of safes aren't good enough, we won't tell you why.

So if you are the lucky owner of a now non complyant jobbie what are your options. It was approved when you bought it.

Oh well, this should be interesting.

One has to ask, how many of these safes have been burgled and as a result, how many B/C/E category firearms have been stolen and used in the commission of a crime? What is the exact make and model of the safe(s) in question deemed to not be compliant? Where is the evidence to show that these safes are not compliant?

Originally Posted by Ryan

Oh well, this should be interesting.

One has to ask, how many of these safes have been burgled and as a result, how many B/C/E category firearms have been stolen and used in the commission of a crime? What is the exact make and model of the safe(s) in question deemed to not be compliant? Where is the evidence to show that these safes are not compliant?

As i understand it with regards to make and model, none currently meet the police spec, but that'smy understanding not necessarily the truth.

And as I understand it, if effected, you're fucked, unless you take the CGA approach.

Originally Posted by Beavis

As i understand it with regards to make and model, none currently meet the police spec, but that'smy understanding not necessarily the truth.

And as I understand it, if effected, you're fucked, unless you take the CGA approach.

Sounds a little bit far-fetched IMHO. I've a certificate from a chartered, ISO 9001 accredited New Zealand engineering company declaring that my safe is compliant in terms of Arms Act 1983 Regulation 28(1)(c). The safe is secured in the prescribed manner as approved by AO.

Short of an equally accredited engineer coming to my house and proving otherwise, I'd say they can tell their story walking.

Originally Posted by Ryan

Sounds a little bit far-fetched IMHO. I've a certificate from a chartered, ISO 9001 accredited New Zealand engineering company declaring that my safe is compliant in terms of Arms Act 1983 Regulation 28(1)(c). The safe is secured in the prescribed manner as approved by AO.

Short of an equally accredited engineer coming to my house and proving otherwise, I'd say they can tell their story walking.

I can only relay what I've read from other sources. But the police have a history of doing what they want and requiring court action to put them right.