Thread: New gun security laws

Okay - I was being neither.

Sort of Ironic that with mass surveillance they still have a difficult time stopping terror attacks. It is abundantly obvious that the states are just asserting their monopolies on all things - information, force, money etc.

Originally Posted by Beavis

Sort of Ironic that with mass surveillance they still have a difficult time stopping terror attacks. It is abundantly obvious that the states are just asserting their monopolies on all things - information, force, money etc.

They surveil foreign countries with impunity. They never needed laws passed to do so. If the threat is supposedly coming from beyond the borders, why the need for increased powers for domestic surveillance?

The bottom line is that it's the crim's who are stealing firearms, the sentencing for this is a joke, that's the first thing that needs to change, harsher penalties are required & once all the bastards are locked up the theft rate will drop.

I saw a news article last night about record numbers of tradies tools being flogged, mainly to fuel meth heads, burglary rates also at an all time high. Here's a novel idea for those clowns in Wellie, how about some more funding for the police so they can go after the gangs hard, if your a gang member & get caught with a firearm, 10yrs! no gangs = no meth = no need for stolen guns= no crack heads ripping our shit off to feed there habits & us law abiding folk can go about enjoying our hobby/sport, etc

Slight topic change... Mainstream media doesn't cover the shooting where some nutted goes off in a shopping mall and an average citizen pulls a pistol and cuts things short. Concealed carry does have its place. Cant remember the examples but know there where at least 2 in the last 4 years.

Originally Posted by 223nut

Mainstream media doesn't cover the shooting where some nutted goes off in a shopping mall and an average citizen pulls a pistol and cuts things short.

Don't remember them saying much about that nutjob in Japan stabbing a bunch of people recently either?

Its not just about giving the police funding, its about how their bureaucrats decide to use the funding. I wonder how the 'investigate burglaries' budget compares with the 'issue speeding tickets' budget?

Order out of chaos comes to mind. Criminals and gang members caught with firearms should be punished severely but that just doesn't happen. The question is why?

My Grandmother (rest her soul) once told me; it's easy to be a bad person & an arsehole in life, but it's hard to be good and stand out from the rest. Ya know, don't lie & steal peoples shit.

Why is it in this country our justice system systematically makes it easier to be a criminal. Or for them to even exist for that matter. It's simply not fair. As mentioned before we who are law abiding, for the most part honest too and from my experience with you folks on here and other friends & family I shoot with are good people. It baffles me that crime in alot of cases gets pathetic sentences which in my opinion is more injustice.

But hey, at least we all still have our integrity.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Order out of chaos comes to mind. Criminals and gang members caught with firearms should be punished severely but that just doesn't happen. The question is why?

My Grandmother (rest her soul) once told me; it's easy to be a bad person & an arsehole in life, but it's hard to be good and stand out from the rest. Ya know, don't lie & steal peoples shit.

Why is it in this country our justice system systematically makes it easier to be a criminal. Or for them to even exist for that matter. It's simply not fair. As mentioned before we who are law abiding, for the most part honest too and from my experience with you folks on here and other friends & family I shoot with are good people. It baffles me that crime in alot of cases gets pathetic sentences which in my opinion is more injustice.

But hey, at least we all still have our integrity.

Cut off the hand that steals and that thief will not likely steal again. There is some rationale from ancient middle eastern culture that resonates well with me.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Cut off the hand that steals and that thief will not likely steal again. There is some rationale from ancient middle eastern culture that resonates well with me.

Of course, the flipside is cut off the hand accused of stealing with marginal evidence and you'll look a right prick if it turns out they're innocent later. Still need a fair trial and all that.

Originally Posted by GravelBen

Of course, the flipside is cut off the hand accused of stealing with marginal evidence and you'll look a right prick if it turns out they're innocent later.

Then the prudent thing to do would be to not make mistakes.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Then the prudent thing to do would be to not make mistakes.

Clearly our "justice" system is not capable of that, seen the news in the last 6 months?

Chopping hands off doesn't work either the middle east is full of thieves and murders, The dumb bastards think they are going to get away with it just like the dip shits here, only here they are getting away with it
the burglary rate clearance is a disgrace if were a cop I would be ashamed to admit the fact, catch the thieves and put them away for a long stretch will dry up the money pool to buy drugs,
and stop being nice to prisoners most of them are better cared for in prison than on the out side, they come out for a few months visit wth whanau then go back in, maybe the family of convicts should pay
for their upkeep while in prison would be an incentive to stay on the outside.

Then first New Zealand should step out of United Nations.
Then we can lock up and do all the miserable things we want to those stealing bastards.
And we won't have to worry about our gun laws being in trouble because we can decide on our own and would not have to follow New York or Tokyo ruling!
And we, the honest citizen,would be able to buy back the old weapons of our army and police as we would not have to obey the small arm proliferation bullshit that our gvt signed at the un. And we would not have to pay them to have representive like clark over there. Save us some $$$ as well.
And we could shut the mouth of a few politically correct journalists , and put the like of heather in front of a real tribunal to deal with her case.
Some kind of a better democracy isn t it?

I like the way Singapore has a ton of harsh sentencing measures, but doesn't really have to do much in the way of actually carrying it out. They play serious, and as a result everything works. Best system of government really, the benevolent dictatorship