Thread: NEW MSSA law ..?.......

Originally Posted by Survy

Ok I have gotten a few emails and a text re new firearm laws to take effect December 2013
Especially re police having the say over what is MSSA ?

Survy, copy and paste the email/txt so we can get some context...

In the july aug NZ guns and hunting, Nicholas taylor the firearms law specialist gives a fairly good briefing on what to expect. I was meaning to put it up last week but I am make you sick, what am I doing, fuck this, busy at the moment, so will endeavour to post the write up later in the week. Gist of it is, gun council formed from police and firearm specialists (just hope there is some decent reps on that) makes the rules. Any feature of any firearm can be deemed mssa, for example the colour black. Any part can be deemed a pistol grip and any make and model can be deemed a mssa, for example a mini 14 or 10/22.

Id say those long range rigs in a tactical chassis will be in trouble too, pretty much we are all going to need our e cats.

Everyone is worried that it is going to affect all the a cat ar's around, I would say that is barely the half of it.
Maybe time to wake up bolt rifle boys, your next on the list for a ten seven fist

Originally Posted by hanse

In the july aug NZ guns and hunting, Nicholas taylor the firearms law specialist gives a fairly good briefing on what to expect. I was meaning to put it up last week but I am make you sick, what am I doing, fuck this, busy at the moment, so will endeavour to post the write up later in the week. Gist of it is, gun council formed from police and firearm specialists (just hope there is some decent reps on that) makes the rules. Any feature of any firearm can be deemed mssa, for example the colour black. Any part can be deemed a pistol grip and any make and model can be deemed a mssa, for example a mini 14 or 10/22.

Id say those long range rigs in a tactical chassis will be in trouble too, pretty much we are all going to need our e cats.

Everyone is worried that it is going to affect all the a cat ar's around, I would say that is barely the half of it.
Maybe time to wake up bolt rifle boys, your next on the list for a ten seven fist

Bolt actions won't be affected by the new act, I suggest you read it before scaremongering.

Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 No 117, Public Act Contents – New Zealand Legislation

Originally Posted by Savage1

Bolt actions won't be affected by the new act, I suggest you read it before scaremongering.

Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 No 117, Public Act Contents – New Zealand Legislation

Haha semi's first, bolts next. I don't think its scaremongering when posted on a firearms and hunting forum like this. That is all I was trying to say, that the bolt boys may want to think before saying " Ohh that doesn't affect me, its only about semi's.

Given the latest media scare about heaven forbid, "silenced high powered weapons" - (maybe scaremongering?) Read as Gun Shity suppressed 7mm08 T3s, I do feel it is only time before the once sacred, long range bolt brigade, get some police/leglislative attention.

I have re read my first post and need to edit it to say that it only affects semi autos. I am not however, reading the entire legislation, I will happily leave that up to a lawyer to summarise for me as in the article in NZG&H.

I am all for a lot of what is about to become law, especially the getting rid of those ridiculous easy to get, look like a real steel, paintball/air guns. Who gets the bad rep when some dumbass points one at the Police and then gets shot?? Not Dumbasses, but the genuine shooting community! I just think that the wrong end of the stick has been grabbed on a few points and I am sure we will get to discuss them all in full at a later date,

Originally Posted by hanse

I am not however, reading the entire legislation, I will happily leave that up to a lawyer to summarise for me as in the article in NZG&H.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why politicians get away with writing crappy laws and lawyers smile all the way to the bank....

Hanse, can you find me ONE statement by the NZ Police or a government official that has even hinted at the fact that they are interested in bolt action firearms ?

Registration
Regulation
Restriction

Originally Posted by ebf

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why politicians get away with writing crappy laws and lawyers smile all the way to the bank....

Hanse, can you find me ONE statement by the NZ Police or a government official that has even hinted at the fact that they are interested in bolt action firearms ?

Ummm.... You might not have realised this, but if you were to go back to the original Bill that Police introduced for the latest changes, the wording in that did actually give the ability to classify bolt action firearms as MSSAs. It was only as a result of the submissions in the select committee process that it was changed so that bolt guns weren't able to be declared MSSA.

Originally Posted by scaggly

Ummm.... You might not have realised this, but if you were to go back to the original Bill that Police introduced for the latest changes, the wording in that did actually give the ability to classify bolt action firearms as MSSAs. It was only as a result of the submissions in the select committee process that it was changed so that bolt guns weren't able to be declared MSSA.

Which version and clause Scagly ?

Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill 285-1 (2011), Government Bill Contents – New Zealand Legislation

clause 4. interpretation.

Originally Posted by scaggly

Ummm.... You might not have realised this, but if you were to go back to the original Bill that Police introduced for the latest changes, the wording in that did actually give the ability to classify bolt action firearms as MSSAs. It was only as a result of the submissions in the select committee process that it was changed so that bolt guns weren't able to be declared MSSA.

This is true, originally the Police did try to put through the ability to classify any firearm a MSSA. Thanks to a few who stood up to this and reasoned with the select committee this was changed back to semi only. One of the main contributors in getting the original wording changed was the NSA.
Imagine the uproar if bolties required an E cat!

I find it very amusing that a bolt action could ever be considered a Military Style SEMI Automatic by our Police Force.

4 1 (a) ? I kinda though semi-automatic in bold right above it was pretty clear

Yep, that is exactly what happened in France:in 1992 ( semi auto became restricted) and registration became compulsory then 1997 ( single shot 22 pistols and pump shotguns became restricted) and then anything that looks like an assault weapon or a military style weapon became restricted.Meanwhile the arsenals of Yougoslavia during the bosniac war got emptied and thousands of Kalashnikovs , grenades and rpgs and millions of ammo started to invade the European black market and ending up in the hands of criminals!
France is expecting its new act in September where military calibers in bolt action rifles will become unrestricted at last after 74years!( that law at been illigaly voted just before the Second World War when the power was weak and there was fear of having the anarchists raiding the national arsenals!). 50 bmg, 7,62x39 and 5.56(223) will still be subjected to restrictions.
But again the new act in France give the option to the local police to decide what can or can not be restricted . And we are not talking pistol grip here, they are introducing the notion of Dangerosity! How do you define the Dangerosity of something that can kill any way?!

Friwi.

If it is painted matt black the "dangerosity" level is very high

I guess you don't do much legislative work huh?

The clause structure would have enabled any 'firearm' to be classified as an mssa under 4(1)(b),(c), or (d). No semi-auto requirement anywhere for that.

mssa=Military-style semi-automatic