Thread: New Updated Arms Code 2017

Originally Posted by northdude

what the police want and what the law is are two different things their job is to uphold the law not make it

Tell them that. They'll arrest you for having an opinion.

Sent to me by a friend (excerpt from FOUNZ on FaeceBook):

JUSTIFICATION: THE PRECURSOR TO CONFISCATION?

All this talk of "justification" had us wondering what would happen if an Arms Officer/inspector decided that our justification for owning an A Cat firearm was not good enough. Well it seems that our fears may be have been realised.

A member reported that he recently had his new address inspected. Here is what he told us:

"He then pulled out a form wanting to know what firearms I had, condition, serial number and why I needed it, also how much ammo I had!? When I said that's not the law he replied 'no it's not law but if you refuse I'm sure the police will do an enforced inspection within a few days and may confiscate any firearms and ammunition they deem unnecessary'"

When asked what "unnecessary ammunition" meant he was told:

"ammunition that may be used in b,e or c class or more than you need" !

FOUNZ Comment:

Wow. Confiscation of any firearm and ammunition that Police "deem" unnecessary. There it is.

On what grounds could an "enforced inspection" be carried out? Subpart 6 of the Search & Surveillance Act 2012 does allow for warrantless searches if Police have reasonable grounds to suspect that you are in breach of the Arms Act.

There is no section of the Act however that relates to "unnecessary" firearms or ammunition. There is also no requirement to provide the information requested by this inspector.

Refusal to submit to an non-mandatory request should not be considered "reasonable grounds" to be suspected of being in breach of the Act.

Similarly, license holders should not be threatened with being treated as a potential criminal in order to coerce them into complying with such a request.

Have any of you received similar treatment? If so PM us and let us know what happened. Take a photo/copy of the form too.

Anyone else on here remain unclear as to the intentions of the upper echelons of NZP?

The Police wouldn't have a leg to stand on and would get their arses kicked in a court of law. A complaint to the IPCA could be in order, although they may say that the vetter is not a Police officer so too bad.

Originally Posted by Jexla

I grabbed 3 yesterday and the reporter from the stuff article posted yesterday grabbed one there and then too.

I couldn't pinch one off you? ;-) They seemed to have all vanished, I tried another police station on route to a job and no luck...

Originally Posted by Ryan

Anyone else on here remain unclear as to the intentions of the upper echelons of NZP?

Some will be untill the the time comes that they are no longer allowed any firearms and then they will ask how did this happen to me?

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Some will be untill the the time comes that they are no longer allowed any firearms and then they will ask how did this happen to me?

Ignorance is bliss... Until it isn't.

Won't be long and the withdrawn 2017 verson will be appearing on Tardme fetching high dollars. A great investment for those fortunate to have scored copies.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Some will be untill the the time comes that they are no longer allowed any firearms and then they will ask how did this happen to me?

And a good reason not to back the red or blue parasites that enact the status quo.

Originally Posted by Steve123

And a good reason not to back the red or blue parasites that enact the status quo.

Never have.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Never have.

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@Pengy for president!

Originally Posted by stug

The Police wouldn't have a leg to stand on and would get their arses kicked in a court of law. A complaint to the IPCA could be in order, although they may say that the vetter is not a Police officer so too bad.

Thats what they did when I put in a complaint against chris cahill. which is interesting as the police association website says he IS a detective inspector.

Originally Posted by Steve123

@Pengy for president!

Its the ex poms pushing for the disarmament! (no offence Pengy)

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Its the ex poms pushing for the disarmament! (no offence Pengy)

Tell that to the idiot pom that couldn't make up his mind whether he wanted a 22 or something a little more powerful at Rusty Dog. Prick kept the salesman busy for ages, not good when your waiting to buy a pack of subs.

Originally Posted by Steve123

Tell that to the idiot pom that couldn't make up his mind whether he wanted a 22 or something a little more powerful at Rusty Dog. Prick kept the salesman busy for ages, not good when your waiting to buy a pack of subs.

Sometimes as a customer you have to be more proactive and say something like hurry up and take my money!

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