Thread: New week, new 'Ultra Vires' Police Action

Originally Posted by Beavis

They haven't used it though. No order in council has passed regarding this. They are just making it up themselves, business as usual.

Apart from a Facebook post, what is to say they are doing it?

Originally Posted by systolic

Apart from a Facebook post, what is to say they are doing it?

Absolutely nothing - other than the word of the affected dealer. They tend to shy away from putting these policies in writing.

Originally Posted by systolic

Apart from a Facebook post, what is to say they are doing it?

I understand your skepticism, and I am often much the same when it comes to this sort of situation. You have no idea how much I've begged people to get this stuff in writing, but it's just not possible.

The AO gets left to pass on the message to the applicants from PNHQ, thing is the AO knows they can't implicate themselves in writing to have PNHQ deny ever requesting it like they have now done in this case (much like the arms code scenario)

It's a tricky situation for us, I can confirm we've had other dealers contact us with the exact same issue dating back to July. They however fear that coming out about the issue publicly will negatively affect their business because of how the police will treat them in the future, which is why they have contacted us and COLFO privately.

I think police HQ have well and truely shown their hand.

Went looking for definition of 'ultra vires', as I wasn't sure what koshogi and others meant.
Found this link which would be helpful to others who are unsure of the term.

http://www.open.edu/openlearn/societ...section-3.12.1

I'd like to say that I'm no 'stupid', but 'less well informed' than I should be, regarding the Latin used by other posters.
Found this link quite useful in understanding what ultra vires really means, and the outrageous statements and requirements being foisted on LAFAO's.
Seems to me that the PNHQ are trying to get all firearms banned - by whatever means possible - so that their inefficiencies and shortcomings won't be exposed.

@Jexla, when you say "us", who is that?

Originally Posted by Beaker

@Jexla, when you say "us", who is that?

"us" in the first instance meant LAFAO.

After that I am referring to FOUNZ.

Originally Posted by Jexla

FOUNZ

Thanks for that.

Originally Posted by Jexla

"us" in the first instance meant LAFAO.

After that I am referring to FOUNZ.

OK, what are they?

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

OK, what are they?

Law abiding firearm owners and FIREARM OWNERS UNITED NZ – Uniting Firearm Owners Of New Zealand / https://www.facebook.com/firearmownersunitednz

Needs an email follow thing. Some of us don't bookface.

Thanks.

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Thanks!

Originally Posted by Jexla

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Signed up.

If the police are acting illegally then logically they can be prosecuted for said illegal actions? and if so why are the people at the head of the changes not finding themselves in prison? Who would prosecute them?

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Signed up.

If the police are acting illegally then logically they can be prosecuted for said illegal actions? and if so why are the people at the head of the changes not finding themselves in prison? Who would prosecute them?

As we've reported on before, Nick Taylor is starting legal litigation with police soon and asked people to donate towards that fund if they could, however legal litigation is only one method of fighting this. Like we saw with the pistol grip saga, the police lost and then went crying to the politicians and got what they described as a "loophole" patched. We've seen great success with the use of social media, and we will continue with that, but to be most effective we must expand our social media reach multitudes of where we're at now, as well as use other methods, many which require funding.


As with all government departments, single people don't get prosecuted, the whole department does.