Thread: Nice wee Christmas treat from customs NZ

So had a call today from customs about my Brownells order that they've decided to hold because it contained a charging handle & firing pin for an AR15... Apparently before they can release it they need conformation from my AO that these parts are indeed going on an ACAT firearm, if not then a permit is required.

I informed them that just last month I successfully ordered the exact same parts with no issue. "We don't nab them all" the lady said to me.

Where does it specify in the act about these particular parts requiring conformation and or permits??

On we go, the never ending story.

have a look here right down the bottom
Visitor's firearms licence and import permits | New Zealand Police

"To summarise, the only component of a firearm (that is not a pistol, restricted weapon or MSSA) that requires a permit to import is the action of that firearm."

Am I missing something? I wasn't aware that the parts I ordered required conformation from an AO before they can released.

If they can be used in a AR15 MSSA semi auto then they do
I went through the same thing about 3 months back. and after lots of emails and calls from different people they told me i should have got a permit and disposed of the items that needed the permit.

We got an email from customs too! ......... Because the Mrs keeps buying shit from Victoria's secret nearly daily and they wanted to know if she is on-selling it haha

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

We got an email from customs too! ......... Because the Mrs keeps buying shit from Victoria's secret nearly daily and they wanted to know if she is on-selling it haha

You lucky bastard!

Originally Posted by Tommy

You lucky bastard!

Swap credit cards with me then tell me again how lucky I am.....

In all honesty she mostly buys actual clothes which aren't much good to anybody! The odd treat in there though

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Swap credit cards with me then tell me again how lucky I am.....

In all honesty she mostly buys actual clothes which aren't much good to anybody! The odd treat in there though

Ryan I thought that being a cow cocky you would be more happy playing with the udder kind. I am quite glad to learn I was wrong.

Originally Posted by burtonator

If they can be used in a AR15 MSSA semi auto then they do
I went through the same thing about 3 months back. and after lots of emails and calls from different people they told me i should have got a permit and disposed of the items that needed the permit.

Does this mean the only parts for an ar15 you can import without a permit are 5 round mags and thumbhole stocks?

For those of you with Facebook, take a look here for an interesting story on the latest police interpretation on what AR parts they think are automatically MSSA parts: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?s...48817982124122

And for those who don’t do Facebook:

NEW RULE: Police decree that some parts of A Cat guns, but not others, are actually parts of imaginary MSSAs as well and therefore require a permit to import.

Constant, relentless ultra vires police policy.

A FOUNZ editor has attempted to import a gas block for his A Category firearm but has been told by police that a gas block is “manufactured as an MSSA part” therefore requires a permit to import.
They insisted that he apply for an import permit saying:
"Your special reason for importing that part (sic) would be that you require it for your A-category firearm."
So doing just that, he then received a refusal letter due to police being unable to process or issue a permit after an alleged breach of the arms act.

There are two things very wrong with this picture:

1. The gas block is NOT an MSSA part.
There is no such thing as an MSSA part attached to an A Cat rifle. It’s either part of an MSSA or it isn’t.
The definition of an MSSA can only be applied to an individual gun, it can’t be applied to a general category or even a specific make and model. The rifle concerned is A Category.
It doesn’t matter that the part COULD be fitted to another rifle that is an MSSA. So could the scope on a bolt action. That doesn’t make it an MSSA part. That’s not how the law works.

2. An import permit is not required.
Police’s own website states (link below): “There is no provision for Police to issue a permit to import for components of firearms, other than those that fall within the definition of ‘part’ above.”
The gas block does not meet the definition of a part under the Arms Act Section 2.
http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/fir...import-permits

The applicant complied with the law and Police’s own guidance to the letter. Unfortunately Police seem to be working to their own version of the law again.
If this policy applies to a gas block, why not the other items listed in the email?

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

We got an email from customs too! ......... Because the Mrs keeps buying shit from Victoria's secret nearly daily and they wanted to know if she is on-selling it haha

You for real ???

Originally Posted by Sarvo

You for real ???

Yeap. I don't know why she can't just sit down, find all the stuff she wants, and order it as one order. Instead customs get packages damn near every day for her from the same place for the past three weeks and now they're getting their knickers in a twist about it.

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Yeap. I don't know why she can't just sit down, find all the stuff she wants, and order it as one order. Instead customs get packages damn near every day for her from the same place for the past three weeks and now they're getting their knickers in a twist about it.

I did wonder if they (Customs) did monitor such repeat importing
Mother-inlaw with the Meindl/Lowa boot importing - as her writing is very standout-ish and sends 3 parcels per time at once.

So did you reply to them ??

Originally Posted by Sarvo

I did wonder if they (Customs) did monitor such repeat importing
Mother-inlaw with the Meindl/Lowa boot importing - as her writing is very standout-ish and sends 3 parcels per time at once.

So did you reply to them ??

Not yet but we have to before they will release the three parcels they have there now. I guess they have stopped leaning on their shovels and are making a go of things with the increase in imports leading up to Christmas. Email just said they would like to know if the items were being imported for monetary gain and then had an attachment outlining gst obligations if the items are to be sold etc