Thread: not again

Originally Posted by Husky1600#2

It is a sad situation, particularly sad in todays age that it was allowed to escalate to the point that an elderly gentleman feared for his life. Under the law, his actions may very well have been justifiable because under NZ law you are allowed to use equal and opposite force if you fear for your life, or those around you, particularly on your own property. It is now up to the court to decide if he feared for his life.
As for mental health issues, all I've seen so far is an old guy that enjoys having live pigs on his property, bit of a recluse, but well spoken and very popular. How he decides to live or how any pigs he may have doesnt constitute a "mental health" issue - hes just different to how you and I choose to go through life. The justice system also needs to be very careful that perceived "mental health" issues dont preclude the poor guy fearing for his life.

I'm told there are a few more details to come out that aren't mine to share but come from someone who was close to the situation.

I agree with you in that he deserved to have been treated better by the numerous poachers and I hope he gets a fair trial.

RNZ called him a "pig collector". Never thought of farmers as "animal collectors". Is this another annoying term team woke is now gonna insist on?

Thanks for whoever put up the mini-documentary

Just a sad sad situation

Why the fuck can't people leave a harmless bloke alone?

Originally Posted by 308

Thanks for whoever put up the mini-documentary

Just a sad sad situation

Why the fuck can't people leave a harmless bloke alone?

too lazy to chase after an actual wild pig

Originally Posted by Rich007

I'm told there are a few more details to come out that aren't mine to share but come from someone who was close to the situation.

I agree with you in that he deserved to have been treated better by the numerous poachers and I hope he gets a fair trial.

And we shouldn't share them. The thing is that this man deserves a fair trial, and part of that is an unbiased jury. It looks like most people sympathise with him, but sharing even sympathetic narratives about him, or information about the victim, might end up having a negative or unintended consequence.

the news was saying that it happened on the road which is public property but no doubt someone has their wires crossed if it apparently happened on his land

The bit that I find strange is they're not legally his pigs, technically they're wild pests that he cares for.
If at least one of the alleged crimes is poaching, that would presumably be very difficult to defend from a legal standpoint.

Originally Posted by CalibreWalker

The bit that I find strange is they're not legally his pigs, technically they're wild pests that he cares for.
If at least one of the alleged crimes is poaching, that would presumably be very difficult to defend from a legal standpoint.

Im not sure they are wild pigs. breed and colour don't matter. There seems to be enough evidence to show that at least a few generations of these animals have been bred and born on his property and under his care.
Id certainly think they would be classed as domesticated and in his ownership.

Other examples. Arapawa sheep. Most of the wild stocked goat farms, Same could be said of deer too probably.

I feel it has to be said, in the few years I lived in coromandel, I've driven the 309 road, and there always pigs on the road outside his place. I know the police have been out there multiple times, but we're unable to do anything because legally, they could not. The pigs were not ear tagged, therefore feral/wild, the fences could not contain them either. Upon chatting with him one day, he said the pigs were like family to him. A bit odd but ok. I don't know of any farmers who believes their stock are like family... at some point, if it were in his shoes, i would feel the necessity to fence and tag animals so the law could be enforced. From what I've observed and heard about the man, i would not call him and farmer, just my opinion though, and I've hunted and helped out on farms most of my adult life. On the flip side, there is a bunch of riff raff that feel the right to help themselves and if je had been threatened multiple times by gang members as someone pointed out, or even Joe bloggs average pig hunter, i can see how he was pushed to this irrecoverable abhorrent act.

Originally Posted by Jus

I feel it has to be said, in the few years I lived in coromandel, I've driven the 309 road, and there always pigs on the road outside his place. I know the police have been out there multiple times, but we're unable to do anything because legally, they could not. The pigs were not ear tagged, therefore feral/wild, the fences could not contain them either. Upon chatting with him one day, he said the pigs were like family to him. A bit odd but ok. I don't know of any farmers who believes their stock are like family... at some point, if it were in his shoes, i would feel the necessity to fence and tag animals so the law could be enforced. From what I've observed and heard about the man, i would not call him and farmer, just my opinion though, and I've hunted and helped out on farms most of my adult life. On the flip side, there is a bunch of riff raff that feel the right to help themselves and if je had been threatened multiple times by gang members as someone pointed out, or even Joe bloggs average pig hunter, i can see how he was pushed to this irrecoverable abhorrent act.

I knew of an older farmer that had a few rabbits around the house. They were never ging to 'get out of control " re breeding as the area was not eally suitable, but he like seeing them there and would talk to them ...He was well into his 80s and had worked the farm all his life. I can see how some of those rural survivors may not look like farmers or appear to farm, but they have the same rights as everyone else...beside, howm many pet owners do you see ear tagging their moggies? Or their dogs? There would be an absolute woke meltdown if councils started to require dogs to have ear tags rather than collars......

I get why tags are used for stock tracking etc. I just find it interesting that when you transfer a situation from one persons view of another to themselves how it suuddenly changes......

This older farmer I knew also had problems with poachers and at one point he suggested to the police that if something wasnt done to deal with it, then his only option would be start a massive scrub fire and get rid of every living thing on the farm and starting again...As he was surrounded by forrestry I suspect the locals may have hoped he was joking...

Except for cattle and deer, I can find no requirement to tag or earmark animals for identification. Even fallow deer do not need tags.
Earmarks were deregesterd early 90s from memory.

Originally Posted by Jus

he said the pigs were like family to him. A bit odd but ok

I've heard it said pigs are just as intelligent as dogs, and pigs as pets is not uncommon. So I don't think it's any more odd than someone with a bunch of dogs or cats.

Maybe not a requirement to tag them, but if they were tagged then there was a legal leg stand on as far as getting the law involved to help solve the issues he's been having for years and years... don't get me wrong, I'm not defending or attacking any of the parties involved, i just feel that steps could've been taken to make this an unlikely occurrence as opposed to an inevitability. With things being the way they were, there was always going to be an escalation from one party or the other. As far as pets go, it's a bot odd to have hundreds if pigs living through shacks and an abandoned house, kind of like the anecdotal crazy cat lady, not wrong or right but there's some sort of imbalance in my opinion if that's the state one ends up in.. most people who have pets can service those pets they care for, in this case, i don't think they were serviceable of they were wondering the road and at the whims of hooligans to help themselves to. I know this sounds like I'm attacking the old fella, I'm defending my view of the facts as I've seen them through my own eyes. It would be great if we could live our lives without harassment from the dickheads but we just can't, we have to take steps to ensure that the dickhwads don't put us in positions that jeopardize our own freedoms and lives

Originally Posted by john m

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Yeah, interesting. Seems prior to the tragic end of it there is room to argue that both parties may have each been committing at least one offence under that act.