Thread: Not a 'Fit and Proper Person'

Originally Posted by berg243

you shooting at magpies sitting on the irrigator?

Not me,just a pic I found.

Originally Posted by oraki

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Rule number 5....isn't it?

It is a funny one.

Yesterday a guy indicated and pulled to the left (We drive on the right in Norway),I was travelling behind him at about 80kmph and pulled to the right into the passing land to go around him.

Suddenly he turned back to the right and we collided,fukking up both cars.(I have had my new Ute not even two weeks).

Cops,Ambo and Fire brigade arrived,thankfully the only damage was to both cars.

Insurance case,no charges etc.

Now imagine if we were on a trap range or public land,he yells "pull" swings his gun to the left and then whirls it around to the right and the shot hits my backpack.Over here he would loose his gun licence and rightly so.

But since motor vehicle accidents are so common place,his insurance simply goes up.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

turn your last 7 words around.....cars can be as lethal as guns and it makes more sense...... if you get behind the wheel pissed its a conscious decision......if you decide to speed its a conscious decision..... if you tail gate..if you use phone....overtaking on blind corner...
not the same...yes AND no
the above are using something in a way thats KNOWN to be dangerous and can kill,the last one is getting close as you doing something you think is right without proper vision to CONFIRM IT .

@Micky Duck

I said the last line very deliberately to make a point. Look road toll vs gun toll. The forces involved in a car crash far surpass the muzzle energy of anything any of us carries in the bush, even though guns are good at drilling nasty holes, but that's all they do. We are well taught to understand that a gun muzzle pointing within 30degrees of us is really bad... but at the same time, without blinking, we pass parallel at about 1-2 metres distance from an oncoming car at combined speeds often exceeding 200kph.

I agree that driving seems more complex, more factors involved than "just" identify-n-shoot. It seems helpful however to seek to understand why hunters screw up and looking at human factors at length during court proceedings is one way to do it.

Gee I wonder what would happen if I threw a bone in amongst a pack of hungry dogs . MMMMMMMM would there be a fight ????

Im agreeing with you cordite...was trying to reinforce your point in fact....
Ive been there on a couple of occasions over the years and it frightened the crap out of me...... my bolt was still open and identification process sorted it out BEFORE smelly stuff hit whirly thing.....Ive roared guys up...... and seen a bright orange "thing" that turned into a deer and got away as I couldnt positively identify it before it bolted.
Ive had a truck n trailer unit roll over and had steering tyre blow out..and rear tyre..and more trailer ones than care to count....been in low speed head on.

Well thank you all for your input. Just to confirm the point I wished to make was as follows: This forum provides an opportunity to exchange ideas and learn from a combined intelligence of all. Any time I read through threads I am always impressed with the clever dry humor and wit that entwines some really good info. I personally felt that 'Pepper Pot' had an abnormal response to some pertinent questions, the 'Red Mist' came down way too fast and he reacted in a way that made me concerned about his ability to make a rational decision. There are times when all normal blokes will loose their tempers and hand out black eyes, for example if you just caught you best mate climbing off you misses. But really, loosing your temper at blokes who are giving freely of their time to help you is a sure sign of an incompetent head-case who shouldn't own a gun (or car) !!

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Well thank you all for your input. Just to confirm the point I wished to make was as follows: This forum provides an opportunity to exchange ideas and learn from a combined intelligence of all. Any time I read through threads I am always impressed with the clever dry humor and wit that entwines some really good info. I personally felt that 'Pepper Pot' had an abnormal response to some pertinent questions, the 'Red Mist' came down way too fast and he reacted in a way that made me concerned about his ability to make a rational decision. There are times when all normal blokes will loose their tempers and hand out black eyes, for example if you just caught you best mate climbing off you misses. But really, loosing your temper at blokes who are giving freely of their time to help you is a sure sign of an incompetent head-case who shouldn't own a gun (or car) !!

Some peoples responses when written can also be read differently to what was originally intended. I am not saying that is what happened, but I know from experience at work when I write messages, sometimes when I am suggesting helpful advice on how to improve something, when I re read it with a critical perspective it has on occasion been possible to read it another way entirely. With the written word, you only get the words to work with. No pronunciation (drunk or sober?) No tonal clues (aggression versus humour).

think f the phrase "You dick" as you could say it to someone. Perhaps it is a mate being a bit of a dickhead and you are using it to rein him in a bit by pointing out he is taking it a little too far....Or it could be read as a short version of " you ar an absolute complete prick....

Never put too much stock in what people write as you often cannot gauge what is going through their minds at the time. Nor can you use body language or Tone as indicators of their true intent.

I do not believe you could easily use a written statement as proof they are not suitable to use firearms in the same way you could not use a written statement to prove they are. That is why an interview is necessary.

by now im sure with many a post many have figured I am not a "proper" person and sure as hell I am not fit , so I am neither fit nor proper to any extent but that does not mean I am not quailified to own firearms so what is fit and proper?

Originally Posted by Paddy79

by now im sure with many a post many have figured I am not a "proper" person and sure as hell I am not fit , so I am neither fit nor proper to any extent but that does not mean I am not quailified to own firearms so what is fit and proper?

Can you walk through walls? If you can't you may be a propper person.

Originally Posted by timattalon

Some peoples responses when written can also be read differently to what was originally intended. I am not saying that is what happened, but I know from experience at work when I write messages, sometimes when I am suggesting helpful advice on how to improve something, when I re read it with a critical perspective it has on occasion been possible to read it another way entirely. With the written word, you only get the words to work with. No pronunciation (drunk or sober?) No tonal clues (aggression versus humour).

think f the phrase "You dick" as you could say it to someone. Perhaps it is a mate being a bit of a dickhead and you are using it to rein him in a bit by pointing out he is taking it a little too far....Or it could be read as a short version of " you ar an absolute complete prick....

Never put too much stock in what people write as you often cannot gauge what is going through their minds at the time. Nor can you use body language or Tone as indicators of their true intent.

I do not believe you could easily use a written statement as proof they are not suitable to use firearms in the same way you could not use a written statement to prove they are. That is why an interview is necessary.

@timattalon

Agree with the above. My droll dead pan humour can lend itself to misinterpretation, unless you put a smiley (-: or other emoji after it. That gets around some misinterpretations. On the other hand a smiley seems a bit like laughing at your own joke. )-:

Originally Posted by Paddy79

by now im sure with many a post many have figured I am not a "proper" person and sure as hell I am not fit , so I am neither fit nor proper to any extent but that does not mean I am not quailified to own firearms so what is fit and proper?

there is a fine line to tread between contributing and trolling.
qualifications mean diddly squat in the real world.......... being qualified to fly an aeroplane doesnt mean you should be put in charge of a dreamliner full of strippers on a hens night.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

... being qualified to fly an aeroplane doesnt mean you should be put in charge of a dreamliner full of strippers on a hens night.

that's what auto pilot is for.... just sayin'

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

there is a fine line to tread between contributing and trolling.
qualifications mean diddly squat in the real world.......... being qualified to fly an aeroplane doesnt mean you should be put in charge of a dreamliner full of strippers on a hens night.

Originally Posted by csmiffy

that's what auto pilot is for.... just sayin'

@csmiffy you do realise that if its a hens night all the strippers will be dudes........which is not what I would lokk for in entertainment. In which case I would be firmly locked away in the cockpit (what a poor name that really is in this case) until thestrippers finish their thing and leave the girls wanting more....


On the upside for the girls, on a plane the strippers cannot escape...(Hang on a second, if this was the other way around and it was a stags night, there would likely be an uproar...sexisim at its best / worst)

yup good spot on the strippers thing. My brain doesn't visualise the male kind. Just saw the word stripper.....