Thread: oh shit

Originally Posted by Ranger 888

Guys, guys, guys! Before you reply to threads like this, just stop and think who might be reading these posts! H.du PA? We don't do ourselves any favours with comments like I have been reading on this scenario. A couple of comments though: firstly, St. John staff have a special team that works with Police SAR and AOS, called SERT (Special Emergency Response Team - I helped to train the inaugural team in Auckland. They are up to it. Secondly, how did highly trained AOS staff put themselves in the position of getting shot by a shotgun? How did that happen, specially after he Molenaar incident in Napier? And Greg O'Connor is banging on again about how crims get firearms? Really, Greg? Perhaps this offender has a F/a licence and a legit. firearm. Did you check Greg?. I guess this offender is fortunate that he doesn't reside in the USA. An offender there recently shot 2 Highway Patrol officers in the head after a routine traffic stop and fled. He was cornered by the local Police, and a gunfight ensued. He died. A TV reporter asked the local sheriff: " Sheriff, why were there 18 bullets found in this man's body?" The sheriff answered: "Well, that's all the ammunition we had available at that time".

Now thats started my morning with a giggle!! Thanks

Breakfast news,cache of firearms at methlab

Originally Posted by foxhound

Greg O,C going on about too many firearms, just so happens more and more law abiding citizens are getting into hunting and shooting sports so DUH of course they will be buying a firearm or two with there new licence. Go after the gangs and crims guns and leave us law abiding VOTERS alone.

Its too hard for them to do that much easier to pick a few names off a list (fal holders) and go visit them.

Originally Posted by Ricochet

I hope all the officers are OK and recover well.

I hope the shooter gets the help he obviously needs.

I hope this incident doesn't negativity impact us licence holding, responsible, firearm owners

In that order.

Ricochet,

Re: Item 3 on your post. You can bet your balls the pollies & police will use this incident to have another go at us law abiding owners. Remember the nice trustworthy chaps & chapesses at bullshit castle have signed UN protocols to restrict & eventually deny civilian ownership of firearms!!! You only had to listen to silly (but dangerous) Annette King on TV last night. I gave her a serve in an email this morning but my words will be the usual waste of breath!!!! A few hundred more from others MIGHT get thru'!!!!????

Originally Posted by Maca49

The sad part is they probably right!! But I think if the police did a little better, seeing the solving burglary figures this week, then it just might help? Im not at a loss as to where the firearms are being sourced, illegally!!

A contributing factor to unsolved burgs is the fact that a lot of victims do not have accurately recorded serial number/identifiers etc on the items taken - unfortunately black flat screen TV is pretty generic and when a property is searched unless the items have been entered into the system prior to being found a lot of it cannot be returned.

Time delay is also important, unless its reported very soon (say 30 minutes max) after the event it is very hard to get a track away in an area with other members of the public around.

Offenders are very forensically savvy these days, gloves concealment etc not often fingerprints left to be taken.

There are firearms seized each day over the country, unfortunately or fortunately we live in a country where Police cannot just enter properties of interest and search them on a hunch.

Hopefully I'm not going to bore you all to death????
Here's my email to silly Annette:

Dear Annette King,

I heard your comments on TV yesterday evening and wondered how a person with your experience & common sense could make such a statement???. You seemed to be repeating a similar silly statement made a few months ago by the Police Assn President O'Connor which ultimately led to the TV3 fraud/police impersonation debacle!!!!!

Here is a list of some ways that non-law abiding persons access illegal firearms. ( not ALL by any means!!)

1. They follow known law abiding firearm owners from shooting ranges to their homes & steal the firearms
at their leisure.

2. They have a legitimate member of their group who has a police issued firearms licence, who then is legally
able to purchase new or used firearms in the normal manner. That person would then be breaking the
law by handing the firearm over to a non-licenced person.No new law would change that,would it???

3. Well organised criminals have contacts within the worldwide network of gangs in Asia,middle east,etc and
when shipping vessels of certain types are legitimately in NZ waters near our coastline, waterproof containers
containing ALL sorts of illegal items are dropped into the sea with a marker not able to be seen from the sea surface,
accompanied by a GPS grid location & surprise surprise some enterprising scuba divers uplift the containers!!!!

4. Well organised gangs have squeaky clean members not known to police intelligence people who have no doubt infiltrated
firearm related clubs & perhaps even the police force where access to firearm owner's details is readily available & the
exact location of many many types of firearms are waiting to be stolen using the appropriate tools to un-secure them!!!!

So there are a few methods of how criminals or people of evil intent could get access to firearms. Tightening up on the laws that apply to us LAW ABIDING firearm owners would have NO affect on these types of criminal activities, as you undoubtedly have worked out for yourself.

REMEMBER: IF FIREARMS WERE OUTLAWED TOMORROW???? CRIMINALS WOULD STILL HAVE THEM!!!!

Please try to avoid the type of "knee jerk" comments that I heard you making last night & talk about practicable methods of dealing with criminals and the use of firearms in their illegal activities.

Here's a suggestion: How about a law that DOUBLES the sentence of an offender how has used a firearm in the
commission of a crime????? THAT might serve as a deterrent????? You might need a few more prisons but if they were built in the middle of an exposed south island remote location with VERY basic amenities there might not be so many candidates for a prolonged uncomfortable stay behind bars????


Yours Sincerely,

Dave M

P.S. I don't really expect a constructive sensible reply!!!!


A few similar ones to your favourite MP wouldn't do any harm.

Originally Posted by Smartie

A contributing factor to unsolved burgs is the fact that a lot of victims do not have accurately recorded serial number/identifiers etc on the items taken - unfortunately black flat screen TV is pretty generic and when a property is searched unless the items have been entered into the system prior to being found a lot of it cannot be returned.

Time delay is also important, unless its reported very soon (say 30 minutes max) after the event it is very hard to get a track away in an area with other members of the public around.

Offenders are very forensically savvy these days, gloves concealment etc not often fingerprints left to be taken.

There are firearms seized each day over the country, unfortunately or fortunately we live in a country where Police cannot just enter properties of interest and search them on a hunch.

When do they ever look for fingerprints in the first place to find out if any have or have not been left?

Originally Posted by mawzer308

Thankyou very much. How about keep the topic on track rather than off on a tangent. Throughout the whole topic you've been mouthing off about firearms rights this bad for us that.

You act like this isn't bad for us. People like you who are not willing to see what's happening and how it will effect us negatively therefore not willing to do anything about it and telling everyone who talks about it to "shutup" are the reason we will see things very rapidly decline in regards to our ownership of firearms.

Originally Posted by Jexla

When do they ever look for fingerprints in the first place to find out if any have or have not been left?

If there has been a confirmed burglary, all the time. There is a work group that does just that as a role, don't think or expect front line to do it as its not their job as first responders. .(all regions/centers would be the same I would think)

Originally Posted by Smartie

If there has been a confirmed burglary, all the time. There is a work group that does just that as a role, don't think or expect front line to do it as its not their job as first responders. .(all regions/centers would be the same I would think)

That's absolute bullshit!!!! I have been burgled 4 times over the years & I had a nearly 99% knowledge of who the little arseholes were. I reported the first one to the Police, 2 days later a police person turned up, a wee bit late to track the stolen gear eh???
The next three my alarm scared the crap out of the hua's & they vacated with zilch & I didn't bother reporting their breaking & entering.
BUT: there are LESS reported burgularies eh???? I wonder why????

Originally Posted by Jexla

You act like this isn't bad for us. People like you who are not willing to see what's happening and how it will effect us negatively therefore not willing to do anything about it and telling everyone who talks about it to "shutup" are the reason we will see things very rapidly decline in regards to our ownership of firearms.

I see what is happening, this particular thread isn't really the place for such statements. An Ideal place would be the other thread you started a while back. I also wasn't telling everyone to shut up, just yourself.

Originally Posted by top gun

That's absolute bullshit!!!! I have been burgled 4 times over the years & I had a nearly 99% knowledge of who the little arseholes were. I reported the first one to the Police, 2 days later a police person turned up, a wee bit late to track the stolen gear eh???
The next three my alarm scared the crap out of the hua's & they vacated with zilch & I didn't bother reporting their breaking & entering.
BUT: there are LESS reported burgularies eh???? I wonder why????

So the first time you got robbed, you reported and they, although a couple days later, came and took fingerprints and details etc?

But the other 3 times they didn't? Wonder if any of that had to do with not being informed about it?

Going by those rates it would agree with them doing it all the time.

@Jexla outside of this forum have you done any foot work against the steps the country is making towards removing all our privileges? I see top gun is at the least sending off emails

Originally Posted by Nibblet

@Jexla outside of this forum have you done any foot work against the steps the country is making towards removing all our privileges? I see top gun is at the least sending off emails

I often email my local MP's in regards to multiple issues, not just firearms.

Originally Posted by Nibblet

So the first time you got robbed, you reported and they, although a couple days later, came and took fingerprints and details etc?

But the other 3 times they didn't? Wonder if any of that had to do with not being informed about it?

Going by those rates it would agree with them doing it all the time.

You're not quite on the right page there team I didn't report the other three because from the previous experience it was obviously a waste of time, nothing was stolen ( remember the alarm bit???) and two days later who knows what evidence was remaining.??? & as mauzer said this is the wrong thread so I'll eff-off.