Thread: Police association reaction to submissions

The premise is flawed to begin with as almost all LFAO are taxpayers and have contributed many times more in tax over the 10 year period than the alleged deficit in license costs.

Cahill saying that the taxpayers cover most of the bill is just disgusting to read.

Originally Posted by tac a1

I for one would like to see that the costs are broken down for all to see if they are going to hike the price of a licence.

That only seems fair to see where the money is going.

In reality I highly doubt it's going to cost $700 plus dollars. Remember its a Govt Dept. They do not pay well for non sworn staff to do anything.
($700 / $30 phr is 23.3 hrs of labour.)

I would like to see the interviewers who come to your house well paid. That is the only way that an interviewer of any quality will consider doing the job. Paying peanuts and employing retirees' is not the answer.

Astute, intelligent, experienced interviewers with behavioural science skills is what are required. If this had been done years ago certain events could possibly have been avoided before they even started.

Thats my 2 cents anyway. Sometimes to save money you have to spend money in the right places.

I replied and submitted .Told them nowwt but a bunch of price gougers whod make dead gangsta roll in their graves in envy and bring a tear to a glass eye.Bloody thing is probably written by a new age spotty herbert with a fat gutted PNHQ desk flyer dribbling over her shoulder.
Vettors with behavioural science -youd be dreamin mate .The last vettor i spoke to was ..wait for it....a yoga instructor from ashburton who didnt know the first thing about privacy laws let alone interviewing me in a public carpark whilst families strolled past to the toilets .Previous to that and in my own case I truck an ex traffic cop turned copper whose sarcasm and ridculing of matters pertaining to mental health made me see red and drill him a new arsehole. it set him back somewhat but did bring forth an apology for being inappropriate.
The fact I was also a serving Tf soldier also made him think twice. Ive also got depression had the bastard for years and I medicated but Im no different to anyone else-oh says he "well could you get a GPs certificate?" .my Dr burs t out laughing described me as a fairly safe pair of hands and whipped out a certificate.
Lets get it straight -Ive no truck with most frontline coppers having also been on more of my share of assorted explicit descriptions of my pedigree and others who loved Olivia newton John"lets get physical.(often with hot drinks or assorted body fluids trying to soak us) but we were trained to handle that and we did ..with bare hands!!
Its the shinyarsed biro pushers and Cahill types who get right up my clacker.

Originally Posted by No.3

Wrong. Firearms licensing is listed by Police as a public safety benefit. If the beneficiary of the 'safety benefits' is the public, let the public pay. I contest the reason Police don't want public funding is it requires an onerous and extremely detailed accounting of what the funds are spent on, whereas user pays can be 'creatively accounted' with less oversight.

I made exactly that point in my submission. The setting of fees is to be paid by those using the service ('the beneficiaries'). The stated aim of the new Arms Act nonsense is 'public safety' therefore the users of the system are the 'public'. Firearms owners are not the 'benficiaries' of the new Arms Act, they are the victims of it!

Originally Posted by Preacher

Cahill saying that the taxpayers cover most of the bill is just disgusting to read.

That's rich coming from one whose whole existence relies on sucking from the public tit! He is an evil little parasite!

But its ok to spend 1.66 million a year keeping Brenton Tarrent locked up

@ tac a1 if you had read the full proposal document you’d have seen that the hourly charge out rate was listed at $90/hr. That figure alone is laughable let alone some of the other figures used. Gave me little faith in the submission process but went through it anyway. The wording of the document gave me the impression that we will be paying around $700/ 10 year license plus endorsement fees every 2 years? Not at all palatable but will have to suck it up if that’s what it is. I admit to being a bit jaded with regards to licence fees. Eg. $900/5 years for Registered Chemical Applcator, a few hundred more/5 years for Invertebrate Poisons, a few hundred for MPI game recovery, a few more hundred to keep advanced First Aid cert. current, more dollars to keep chainsaw cert. Feck me the list goes on. All to make the world a safer place for all the pussys we’ve bred. Better stop now, getting wound up and of subject.

This whole thing is

A: A cash grab, more or less another layer of taxation

B: An attempt to choke out firearms ownership and activities through cost and regulation.

From Police copied verbatim:

“Fees are not intended to be direct contributors to public safety in themselves but they may reduce the demand for and use of firearms.”

Originally Posted by Beavis

This whole thing is

A: A cash grab, more or less another layer of taxation

B: An attempt to choke out firearms ownership and activities through cost and regulation.

From Police copied verbatim:

“Fees are not intended to be direct contributors to public safety in themselves but they may reduce the demand for and use of firearms.”

perhaps a rooting tax will reduce the amount of DPB dependancy too????

perhaps a fast food tax will reduce folks getting fat??????

when the ques for McDonalds first day out of lockdown are looked at..we arent going to make it as a species..more tax will fix that.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

perhaps a rooting tax will reduce the amount of DPB dependancy too????

perhaps a fast food tax will reduce folks getting fat??????

when the ques for McDonalds first day out of lockdown are looked at..we arent going to make it as a species..more tax will fix that.

Don't forget the climate taxes to make the weather better.
Would love to say what I think about this but got renewal coming up and free speech and transparency blah blah etc

Originally Posted by woods223

@ tac a1 if you had read the full proposal document you’d have seen that the hourly charge out rate was listed at $90/hr. That figure alone is laughable let alone some of the other figures used. Gave me little faith in the submission process but went through it anyway. The wording of the document gave me the impression that we will be paying around $700/ 10 year license plus endorsement fees every 2 years? Not at all palatable but will have to suck it up if that’s what it is. I admit to being a bit jaded with regards to licence fees. Eg. $900/5 years for Registered Chemical Applcator, a few hundred more/5 years for Invertebrate Poisons, a few hundred for MPI game recovery, a few more hundred to keep advanced First Aid cert. current, more dollars to keep chainsaw cert. Feck me the list goes on. All to make the world a safer place for all the pussys we’ve bred. Better stop now, getting wound up and of subject.

I did read it, but I must of missed that $90 p/hr part somehow.

How do you justify $90 an hr when I would be surprised if a non sworn interviewer is getting $30.

Something stinks here.

Originally Posted by kotuku

I replied and submitted .Told them nowwt but a bunch of price gougers whod make dead gangsta roll in their graves in envy and bring a tear to a glass eye.Bloody thing is probably written by a new age spotty herbert with a fat gutted PNHQ desk flyer dribbling over her shoulder.
Vettors with behavioural science -youd be dreamin mate .The last vettor i spoke to was ..wait for it....a yoga instructor from ashburton who didnt know the first thing about privacy laws let alone interviewing me in a public carpark whilst families strolled past to the toilets .Previous to that and in my own case I truck an ex traffic cop turned copper whose sarcasm and ridculing of matters pertaining to mental health made me see red and drill him a new arsehole. it set him back somewhat but did bring forth an apology for being inappropriate.
The fact I was also a serving Tf soldier also made him think twice. Ive also got depression had the bastard for years and I medicated but Im no different to anyone else-oh says he "well could you get a GPs certificate?" .my Dr burs t out laughing described me as a fairly safe pair of hands and whipped out a certificate.
Lets get it straight -Ive no truck with most frontline coppers having also been on more of my share of assorted explicit descriptions of my pedigree and others who loved Olivia newton John"lets get physical.(often with hot drinks or assorted body fluids trying to soak us) but we were trained to handle that and we did ..with bare hands!!
Its the shinyarsed biro pushers and Cahill types who get right up my clacker.

Proper interviewers are out there. I suppose its just the price difference between them and yoga instructors.

Ex t/o's. Yeah well, Im not going comment about them.

Originally Posted by timattalon

I pointed out in mine that the costs of a passport are not the full costs, neither is the costs for a Drivers license. In fact many of these are not fully charged. The full costs of criminal action are not passed on to the criminals (prosecution costs, processing costs, remand costs) so why should a firearms license be any different? If they started fully recovering costs for these then fine, I would accept a lift in fees- but if that is the case, then taxes would not need to be so high as they are recovering costs from users.

It's because the cost of a FA licence has been that way for 18 years so it's reasonable expect an increase from the current $126.50 for an A Cat. My house has tripled in price in that time and the grocery bill has probably done the same. How much of an increase remains to be seen. There is a lot of work and time spent on a firearms licence and currently it also covers a free change of address and a permit to buy firearms ammo etc. online. Near everything is going to go up in price, if it hasn't already. A lettuce now costs $7- $9, local McDonalds doesn't put it in their burgers anymore.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

It's because the cost of a FA licence has been that way for 18 years so it's reasonable expect an increase from the current $126.50 for an A Cat. My house has tripled in price in that time and the grocery bill has probably done the same. How much of an increase remains to be seen. There is a lot of work and time spent on a firearms licence and currently it also covers a free change of address and a permit to buy firearms ammo etc. online. Near everything is going to go up in price, if it hasn't already. A lettuce now costs $7- $9, local McDonalds doesn't put it in their burgers anymore.

When the boffins in police openly state the the proposed increase in price will likely cause many to not get a FAL we have plenty to bitch about.

Originally Posted by tac a1

I did read it, but I must of missed that $90 p/hr part somehow.

How do you justify $90 an hr when I would be surprised if a non sworn interviewer is getting $30.

Something stinks here.

A Police document released just before the close-off date for submissions put the charge-out rate at $143.00 per hour!

Originally Posted by gundoc

A Police document released just before the close-off date for submissions put the charge-out rate at $143.00 per hour!

Does anyone actually know how much per hr the interviewers actually get in their hand??

Interested to know and then how the Police justify that excessive amount