Thread: This question again

Why do they want to record your serial numbers?
Has it come back in that this is now put down on a national data base?
I thought that this went out an age ago around 1985/7 when the life time licences came in before that was changed to the ten year one after the Aramoana tragedy. The reason given by the police at the time was that there data was in such a mess that it was no longer fit for purpose.
They still record them here in the UK. It has it's pros and cons.
To now try and go back and start up this data base would not in my option be very cost affective.
Judging from some of the posts on here about how long it takes for you to get your FAC. I think that the police have better things to do.
As a side note here in the UK your make caliber serial number of every firearm is recorded on your paper FAC and shotgun cert.
This is a big problem because if you lose it and it falls into the wrong hands they know where you live and what you have.
How's that for a security breach!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Maca49

The point being there is a law covering it. It seems every AO has his own agenda outside the law, it's a bloody disgrace that the police carry on like this. Makes us all look muppets, I realise the job ain't easy when your dealing with such a diversity of people and it must be a challenge, but at least follow the law!

The point being is when you actually read the law and go off his description then he most probably isn't complying. He didn't mention his room being steel or concrete?

Actually reading the law is always a good start.

Oh that's right they have a copy! They just want to do their own thing as well!

Originally Posted by Savage1

Is your room a strong room? Or is it just an ordinary room with a lock on the door? You seem to have chop and changed the wording to suit.

Just buy a safe and be done with it. I take the security of my firearms seriously, not just as a hurdle to keeping my licence hence buying an E-cat safe when all I need is a crappy chain bolted to the wall.

I don't think I've chopped and changed any wording to suit myself or as you imply not taking my security seriously. I don't need to buy a safe as I already have a room of stout construction which is all that is required.
What is the difference between a strong room and a room of stout construction?

The way firearms move on this site and others i can see no benifit in the cops recording a cat firearms serial numbers.
So ten years on and twenty owners later is that serial number of any use at all?

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No. Because you only have to sight a licence you don't have to record anything.

Got mine a few months ago. Vetter looked at the safe made sure it had locks on it and done, no mention of even looking inside.

Exactly maca49

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Had mine renewed last year I think, vetting officer didn't even open the safes, wasnt required apparently. He offered to take serial nos but he said it wasnt necessary. He was a good bugger I'm not sure if he asked about bolts in rifles but most have their bolts in them depending on which safe they are in.

I do take the bolts out of my rifles as I have a seperate safe for my ammo as well, mainly for nosy grand kids and wife!

Hi guys. Just my ha'pennys worth. Just been vetted for a renewal as well ( now approved says the nice letter from my AO).

When the vetter came round, he asked to see my security, so took him to my downstairs garage, pointed to the old steel locker wedged between the wall and my work bench, and told him it was bolted to the floor/ bench/ wall, and had 2 heavy duty padlocks on it.

He then asked where I stored the bolts and ammo, so I took him upstairs, pointed out the kitchen window at one of the sheds, and said, in there, inside locked steel ammo cases.

He didn't ask to unlock the safe, or want to view the ammo storage, just ticked the boxes on the form.

Interestingly, he did ask for 1) list of all my firearms, an 2) if I had the serial numbers. I raised my eyebrows at both questions, but listed the arms, but could not tell him the serials, as I hadn't got round to recording them ( tomorrow's job though).

I guess there are huge variations between not only vetters, but also AO's. The AO in Upper Hutt seems ok, but the Lower Hutt one can be a bit of a grouch (especially if you are asking him to sign off an S43a form.). Still, maybe I caught him on 3 off days

The vetter I had tried to tell me that my safe wasn't good enough (typical $300ish job). Have to agree that I probably should have got a really good one, but it sure as hell meets the requirements of the law and I told him so. He had to back down and approve it in the end seeing as there are probably thousands of that particular safe that have already been approved. He could just tell I could probably afford better and tried it on.

At some point I will get a solid E-cat one even though I don't "need" it.

When asked this question I said it would be unlikely the assailant would allow me to open my safe to retrieve a firearm then grab some ammo from another location.
He thought it was a good answer but I was just thinking it was the one he wanted to hear.

I would do anything to protect my family and friends.

Property is insured and can be replaced. So if that is all was what I thought they were interested in, I would just leave them to it.



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I was asked the other day, if it would be ok to have a firearm (any, shotgun, pistol or rifle - e or a), at your hand, inside, IF there were a lock down in progress due to armed folk expecticed in the area. This was around the time of those guys in the NI running around with guns and schools being shut etc....
So you do feel for you or yours life, due to nut jobs running around close to you, as notified by news and police, you have time to get to guns, bolts and ammo.
If they do come onto your property, waving a gun in a threatening way to you or family, you allow them to remain on the ground until ambulance/black car removes them, then how to you fare in the law?

Originally Posted by R93

When asked this question I said it would be unlikely the assailant would allow me to open my safe to retrieve a firearm then grab some ammo from another location.
He thought it was a good answer but I was just thinking it was the one he wanted to hear.

I would do anything to protect my family and friends.

Property is insured and can be replaced. So if that is all was what I thought they were interested in, I would just leave them to it.



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Originally Posted by Beaker

I was asked the other day, if it would be ok to have a firearm (any, shotgun, pistol or rifle - e or a), at your hand, inside, IF there were a lock down in progress due to armed folk expecticed in the area. This was around the time of those guys in the NI running around with guns and schools being shut etc....
So you do feel for you or yours life, due to nut jobs running around close to you, as notified by news and police, you have time to get to guns, bolts and ammo.
If they do come onto your property, waving a gun in a threatening way to you or family, you allow them to remain on the ground until ambulance/black car removes them, then how to you fare in the law?

It could be argued that seeing as you were stuck inside it may be an opportune time to thoroughly clean and check the condition of your firearms.......but in all honesty, in these situations I would much rather be somewhere else and let the authorities take the risks and exposure to danger. That's what they are trained for and paid for.

Originally Posted by Beaker

I was asked the other day, if it would be ok to have a firearm (any, shotgun, pistol or rifle - e or a), at your hand, inside, IF there were a lock down in progress due to armed folk expecticed in the area. This was around the time of those guys in the NI running around with guns and schools being shut etc....
So you do feel for you or yours life, due to nut jobs running around close to you, as notified by news and police, you have time to get to guns, bolts and ammo.
If they do come onto your property, waving a gun in a threatening way to you or family, you allow them to remain on the ground until ambulance/black car removes them, then how to you fare in the law?

It's actually quite simple and common sense, people quite often try and over complicate it in arguments just to have a good old bitch.

S48 Crimes Act:
Everyone is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.

S62 Crimes Act:
Everyone authorised by law to use force is criminally liable for any excess according to the nature and quality of the act that constitutes the excess.

I've just recited them off the top of my head, they might not be quite verbatim.