Thread: This question again

19Conditions relating to security precautions
(1)Every firearms licence shall be subject to the following conditions:
(a)the holder shall not put a firearm in such a place that a young child has ready access to it:
(b)the holder, where he or she has both a firearm and ammunition for it in his or her possession, either—
(i)shall take reasonable steps to ensure that the ammunition is not stored in such a way that a person who obtains access to the firearm also obtains access to the ammunition; or
(ii)shall ensure that, where the ammunition is stored with the firearm, the firearm is not capable of being discharged:
(c)the holder shall take reasonable steps to ensure that any firearm in the holder’s possession is secured against theft:
(d)the holder shall, where he or she has possession of a firearm that is—
(i)a flare pistol; or
(ii)a humane killer; or
(iii)a stock marking pistol,—
keep it in a locked container, except where it is under the holder’s immediate and personal supervision.
(2)On and after 1 July 1993 the reasonable steps required by subclause (1)(c) shall include—
(a)keeping on the holder’s premises—
(i)a lockable cabinet, container, or receptacle of stout construction in which firearms may be stored; or
(ii)a lockable steel and concrete strongroom in which firearms may be stored; or
(iii)a display cabinet or rack in which firearms may be immobilised and locked so that none of them may be fired; and
(b)keeping locked or immobilised and locked in the cabinet, container, receptacle, strongroom, display cabinet, or rack required by paragraph (a) every firearm which is on the holder’s premises and which is not under immediate and personal supervision of the holder or some other holder of a firearms licence; and
(c)ensuring that no firearm in the holder’s possession is left in a vehicle that is unattended.




It doesn't say room of stout construction, it says "steel and concrete strongroom". In no part are 'strongroom' and 'stout construction' in the same sentence, hence the 'chopped and changed'.

From what I've seen a strong room needs to have steel door frames and plywood instead of gib. A hoolie bar or a good boot makes quick work of wooden framed doorways.

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Originally Posted by Savage1

19Conditions relating to security precautions
(1)Every firearms licence shall be subject to the following conditions:
(a)the holder shall not put a firearm in such a place that a young child has ready access to it:
(b)the holder, where he or she has both a firearm and ammunition for it in his or her possession, either—
(i)shall take reasonable steps to ensure that the ammunition is not stored in such a way that a person who obtains access to the firearm also obtains access to the ammunition; or
(ii)shall ensure that, where the ammunition is stored with the firearm, the firearm is not capable of being discharged:
(c)the holder shall take reasonable steps to ensure that any firearm in the holder’s possession is secured against theft:
(d)the holder shall, where he or she has possession of a firearm that is—
(i)a flare pistol; or
(ii)a humane killer; or
(iii)a stock marking pistol,—
keep it in a locked container, except where it is under the holder’s immediate and personal supervision.
(2)On and after 1 July 1993 the reasonable steps required by subclause (1)(c) shall include—
(a)keeping on the holder’s premises—
(i)a lockable cabinet, container, or receptacle of stout construction in which firearms may be stored; or
(ii)a lockable steel and concrete strongroom in which firearms may be stored; or
(iii)a display cabinet or rack in which firearms may be immobilised and locked so that none of them may be fired; and
(b)keeping locked or immobilised and locked in the cabinet, container, receptacle, strongroom, display cabinet, or rack required by paragraph (a) every firearm which is on the holder’s premises and which is not under immediate and personal supervision of the holder or some other holder of a firearms licence; and
(c)ensuring that no firearm in the holder’s possession is left in a vehicle that is unattended.




It doesn't say room of stout construction, it says "steel and concrete strongroom". In no part are 'strongroom' and 'stout construction' in the same sentence, hence the 'chopped and changed'.

From what I've seen a strong room needs to have steel door frames and plywood instead of gib. A hoolie bar or a good boot work of wooden framed doorways.

Can you ensure every AO in NZ gets a copy of this and abide by it? Fat chance I'd say. The fact this thread exists shows you what a mess the system is in IMHO

Originally Posted by Maca49

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Can you ensure every AO in NZ gets a copy of this and abide by it? Fat chance I'd say. The fact this thread exists shows you what a mess the system is in IMHO

Originally Posted by Maca49

Oh that's right they have a copy! They just want to do their own thing as well!

Silly talk. A man of your age should know better.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Silly talk. A man of your age should know better.

Mate I just get sick of the protection, listen to this thread and tell me there's not a problem there is and it's fairly wide spread!

Originally Posted by Maca49

Mate I just get sick of the protection, listen to this thread and tell me there's not a problem there is and it's fairly wide spread!

There most certainly is a problem, a problem with firearms being taken from substandard security and a relaxed attitude to firearm security.

I have been listening to this thread, but correct me if I'm wrong but it was started by a person who misunderstood the law and was inflamed by people who didn't bother to check the law.

Originally Posted by Maca49

Mate I just get sick of the protection, listen to this thread and tell me there's not a problem there is and it's fairly wide spread!

I understand where you're coming from. However, jumping on a keyboard and denigrating the police because you read things on an internet forum which may or may not be true is irresponsible behaviour IMHO. It's been my experience that some people always blame their unfortunate situation on somebody or something else. How hard is it for someone to sort themselves out with decent security? Instead of just meeting minimum "A" cat security, wouldn't it be better to well and truly exceed it? Sure, it's going to cost money but so do a lot of other worthwhile things.

Some people, it would seem, like to fixate on one small issue and miss the big picture. The big picture surely is having good firearm safety practices and that includes strong security for our firearms and a gun owning public that works with the police to achieving that for the safety of all of us. The police are only human, trying to do the right thing, they sometimes make mistakes, who doesn't? If a particular AO or firearms vettor doesn't see it your way, discuss it with them and if you can't agree then you have the right to take the issue up with their superior officer.

Silly talk. A man of your age should know better.[/QUOTE]

Just about spilt my cuppa on that one Haha

I was happy enough to supply my serial numbers. Didn't realize I had a choice. IMO I don't see any issues with it if they were going to create a database, on the other hand I can't work out why the wanted mine because I might sell them all tomorrow and I only have to sight there FAL.

You can store ammo in your safe in a locked box but if you do, your bolts have to be out of the firearm.

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hi All

I have an AO coming over sometime in the next couple of weeks to check my safe and talk to the Mrs etc and all these posts are getting me worried.
At the moment i have a safe of stout construction and at the top of it inside the safe i have a compartment with another door and lock on it, this is where i was planning to store my bolts and ammunition.
so even if you get the main door open you still have to defeat another lock to get to the bolts and ammunnition.

Does this sound like it will comply?
Cheers

Originally Posted by Dan88

hi All

I have an AO coming over sometime in the next couple of weeks to check my safe and talk to the Mrs etc and all these posts are getting me worried.
At the moment i have a safe of stout construction and at the top of it inside the safe i have a compartment with another door and lock on it, this is where i was planning to store my bolts and ammunition.
so even if you get the main door open you still have to defeat another lock to get to the bolts and ammunnition.

Does this sound like it will comply?
Cheers

so why is he gunna talk to her is it her license or yours

Yes. You don't even have to open the safe to show him anything unless you have restricted firearms he is checking on.


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Oh and mine are in a E cat safe, ammo in a A cat safe, and both in a room of stout construction (inc steel framed and internal hinged doors, etc..) not only for police but for my own mental well being. It would piss me off if some dirt bag got their hands on my gear with out me allowing it.
And i know the police dont need numbers etc, but i kind of trust the police system in nz, so dont mind giving them numbers if they ask. Plus we have a excellant AO here, really approachable and just a good barstard - but no bullshit/gray either way. Lucky we are....

His, but in NZ they chat to those close to you so any reluctance on there part to you having guns can be looked into.
It's one of the best things in our licensing system and for most people it really helps them out in there application.

Originally Posted by res

His, but in NZ they chat to those close to you so any reluctance on there part to you having guns can be looked into.
It's one of the best things in our licensing system and for most people it really helps them out in there application.

Bit hard when they ask you to describe your relationship with your wife while shes in the room, hahahaha, the good thing is she gets asked the same question, I dont blush often! I take it an astute person would pick up the vibs of a relationship walking into a situation. I think you are meant to be spoken to separately and in some cases this would be of advantage. I thought the guy that just did mine was great, but we were of the same age group.also my independent referee was a person well known to the AO. I think that is important, He also speaks the truth, he told me the other day there are some that use him that he flags
Older wiser man that one.