Thread: The real reason for B/E-cat storage requirements and inspections

Originally Posted by Beaker

It would also be nice if folk didn't leave pistols lying around the place for unendorsed folk to pick up as well.

@Beaker, Who do I need to hang around if I want to find abandoned pistols?

Originally Posted by 40mm

@Beaker, Who do I need to hang around if I want to find abandoned pistols?

Don't hang around public toilets, just don't.

Originally Posted by systolic

There's a very big difference in that you agreed to cops checking your endorsed firearms and security when you got the licence endorsements.

It has been in the Arms Regulations for a long time that it's a condition of your endorsement that they can check and you let them. You didn't have to get the endorsement.

If you don't want cops checking your stuff, you could always surrender your endorsements.

No point getting upset on about things you agreed to.

Do you actually believe any of the dribble you post on this forum?

Originally Posted by 40mm

@Beaker, Who do I need to hang around if I want to find abandoned pistols?

Go to a pistol club while the police are there, they are shocking and have been caught out leaving a club with knowing if they had all their pistols or not.

Originally Posted by 40mm

Cripes. @systolic, did you not read @Cordite's original post?

"However, the mere fact that stringent conditions of ownership exist should discourage people from becoming collectors."

If that quote is accurate then how can anyone deny there was/is an agenda to dissuade people from collecting restricted firearms?

It is taken from a report written, mainly about pistols being held by banks, security companies etc as a review of policy, so not actual policy.

Also referring to collectors, the report also says:

7.34 Conclusion
We conclude that there can be no objection to bona fide firearms collectors collecting pistols, provided the pistols are inoperable and kept under strict security conditions.

There was no formal definition of 'collector' at the time and no formal written policy.

Anyway, it's far too late in the evening for me to give any more thought about police reviews of policy carried out well before I was born and before both the 1983 and 1992 Arms Acts were written. Or Kiwi Gun Blog's constant persecution/victim complex. I've got a club competition in the morning and need some sleep.

Originally Posted by systolic

It is taken from a report written, mainly about pistols being held by banks, security companies etc as a review of policy, so not actual policy.

Also referring to collectors, the report also says:

7.34 Conclusion
We conclude that there can be no objection to bona fide firearms collectors collecting pistols, provided the pistols are inoperable and kept under strict security conditions.

There was no formal definition of 'collector' at the time and no formal written policy.

Anyway, it's far too late in the evening for me to give any more thought about police reviews of policy carried out well before I was born and before both the 1983 and 1992 Arms Acts were written. Or Kiwi Gun Blog's constant persecution/victim complex. I've got a club competition in the morning and need some sleep.

Good luck with the competition.

Originally Posted by Beaker

It would also be nice if folk didn't leave pistols lying around the place for unendorsed folk to pick up as well.

And were not in the back pocket of gangs, and using the endorsements registers to tell the gangs where to 'shop'.

That home invasion in the Bay of Plenty would of been absolutely frightening, those wankers need to be eradicated. Would also have serious psychological effects on the home owners too. Sort of thing that makes you want to leave your home and or quit shooting all together.

Or alternatively, make you want keep a loaded firearm in the house so it never happens again. (Should never of happened in the first place tbh...)

Originally Posted by systolic

It is taken from a report written, mainly about pistols being held by banks, security companies etc as a review of policy, so not actual policy.

Also referring to collectors, the report also says:

7.34 Conclusion
We conclude that there can be no objection to bona fide firearms collectors collecting pistols, provided the pistols are inoperable and kept under strict security conditions.

There was no formal definition of 'collector' at the time and no formal written policy.

Anyway, it's far too late in the evening for me to give any more thought about police reviews of policy carried out well before I was born and before both the 1983 and 1992 Arms Acts were written. Or Kiwi Gun Blog's constant persecution/victim complex. I've got a club competition in the morning and need some sleep.

I think kiwi gunblog is fighting fire with fire, there is so much anti gun hype out there, it is a good thing to have some pro gun hype to try ballance things out a bit.
How did the comp go @systolic?

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

That home invasion in the Bay of Plenty would of been absolutely frightening, those wankers need to be eradicated. Would also have serious psychological effects on the home owners too. Sort of thing that makes you want to leave your home and or quit shooting all together.

Or alternatively, make you want keep a loaded firearm in the house so it never happens again. (Should never of happen in the first place tbh...)

Yeah, but apart from that being illegal it probably wont work unless you are awake when they come in. By the time the door is smashed in and you wake up and figure out what is going on they will be at you. A good alarm with drive way sensors or a couple of dogs will be a good early warning signal.
Or punji traps and claymores.....

Originally Posted by 40mm

Yeah, but apart from that being illegal it probably wont work unless you are awake when they come in. By the time the door is smashed in and you wake up and figure out what is going on they will be at you. A good alarm with drive way sensors or a couple of dogs will be a good early warning signal.
Or punji traps and claymores.....

Add fake safe with replicas and spiked guns, a safe room is also a good selling point for your house. Dog comes with us into the safe room, sorry.

Beyond that stick your hand in your pocket and point your index at me and you'll get my guns. The problem with gun happy criminals is the Prosecutors, Courts and the NZ Police. I have no wish to risk death or hurt to make up for their failures.

Originally Posted by 40mm

@Beaker, Who do I need to hang around if I want to find abandoned pistols?

Parliament toilets, on the roads just outside gun ranges (after police training sessions), etc....

Originally Posted by 40mm

Yeah, but apart from that being illegal

I wouldn't say it's illegal, more so, it is frowned upon by 'law enforcement'. There is no law stipulating it is a criminal offence to defend yourself with necessary force. Necessary being so, that if your dwelling is being invaded by armed burglars who want your guns.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

I wouldn't say it's illegal, more so, it is frowned upon by 'law enforcement'. There is no law stipulating it is a criminal offence to defend yourself with necessary force. Necessary being so, that if your dwelling is being invaded by armed burglars who want your guns.

The concept of a panic room has a lot going for it.

https://unitedlocksmith.net/blog/how...diy-panic-room

A related concept us safe zones. E.g. everyone sleeps upstairs and a secondary locked sturdy door stops free movement downstairs to upstairs in effect presenting intruders with a secondary front door. . Buys time to activate the loud burglar alarm indoors and outdoors, phone for help, even extract n load any guns stored in a legal manner. Unlikely to need them by that stage as invaders now know they are dealing with a harder target and will take off ---- unless rhey are on P or benzos, in which case you will need to apply everything you have learnt from watching the Walking Dead.

BTW how many seasons of that nonsense show by now?

@Cordite season 9 is the latest one, AMC have a break over the holidays then part two of S9 will commence mid Feb.