Thread: Registry to stay??

Originally Posted by BSA

Minister McKee responds...

Someone has decided that they would give confidential information about the review of the firearms registry to the media.
Whether that is designed to create a certain narrative, or influence what Cabinet decides, it is wrong and needs to be investigated.
Let me be clear with those people: it is my Cabinet colleagues who have the responsibility of deciding whether the registry stays or goes, not them.
Cabinet has not even had the opportunity to consider this information and someone has decided to make it public. Totally unacceptable.

Sack the perps Nicole.

Greetings All,
I have long thought that scrapping firearms registration was a dead duck. Only ACT has pushed it and we are now halfway to the next election. The last timeline I saw for the Arms Act was late 2026, just before the election. Really?
GPM.

A very good article on the Good Oil blog. I have put the link but you will have to log in as a guest to read it. It is not a political diatribe but an expose' of the Register's Failings and it will only get worse.

(Excerpt)
For those skeptical of the registry’s chaos, an Official Information Act (OIA) request will provide a good laugh – or a grim one. Simply request the number of firearms with the serial number 1887, or 10/22. The paper trail will likely reveal a litany of errors, delays and excuses, confirming what McKee and firearms owners already know: the registry is a bureaucratic boondoggle. It’s not about safety: it’s about control and it’s failing spectacularly.



Nicole McKee’s Fight Against the Failing Gun Registry: A Battle for Common Sense
https://goodoil.news/nicole-mckees-f...-common-sense/

Its here to stay. They got your votes, you can piss off untill the next election now

I feel the registry will stay in some format and initially that didn’t really bother me, except:
*When I registered my stuff upon moving south I was advised Police didn’t need to inspect my security even though I insisted.
* My Swedish rifles (CG and Husqvarna of various dates/models) were supposedly not on the list that registry had. I was advised they would be logged under ‘Custom builds’. Go figure.
*We know that departmental ‘leakage’ is happening at all levels of govt, so imo, data will never be secure.
* The register may well become another Carjam site, where upon logging on, any investigator could find all details of ownership. Ask the French what happened with their firearms register when Nazis invaded. Hint: ‘Thank you for the list monsieur; first we find Pierre…’.
Cynical I know, but at my age and having worked for Govt agencies most of my life, I wouldn’t trust any security system.

Here's the free version of the NZ Herald article, extracted from behind the pay-wall https://archive.ph/UvRpq

I think the registry will stay. The general public really are not interested in weather it will achieve anything or not. It seems like a good idea, and increasingly gun ownership will struggle for tolerance.

The non act governing parties dont have any incentive to change things. It's not an election winner for them, and more likely to be a point on labours scorecard.

physically the registry right now doesn't impact us greatly. For example Im registered, It wasn't hard to do, and doesn't restrict my use of firearms to any extent. In fact less so than other sections of the arms act.

Philosophically it does. It has the potential to be miss used, could be a very real avenue for firearm confiscation. We have to hope that that never eventuates. It probably will. Given history it's at least more likely than not.

I appreciate Act and Nicole especially for trying. I will be elated for us and them if its achieved.

I will realistically not be upset at them if its not.

Originally Posted by whanahuia

I think the registry will stay. The general public really are not interested in weather it will achieve anything or not. It seems like a good idea, and increasingly gun ownership will struggle for tolerance.

The non act governing parties dont have any incentive to change things. It's not an election winner for them, and more likely to be a point on labours scorecard.

physically the registry right now doesn't impact us greatly. For example Im registered, It wasn't hard to do, and doesn't restrict my use of firearms to any extent. In fact less so than other sections of the arms act.

Philosophically it does. It has the potential to be miss used, could be a very real avenue for firearm confiscation. We have to hope that that never eventuates. It probably will. Given history it's at least more likely than not.

I appreciate Act and Nicole especially for trying. I will be elated for us and them if its achieved.

I will realistically not be upset at them if its not.

Yeah. You have put into words what I think too. You do your bit to try to influence the outcome, but be prepared to shrug and walk away. Others will never give up and good on them. Ive got other priorities.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Here's the free version of the NZ Herald article, extracted from behind the pay-wall https://archive.ph/UvRpq

Are there any legal issues for the Forum sharing that? It is the digital equivalent of nicking a paper from the supermarket.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Yeah. You have put into words what I think too. You do your bit to try to influence the outcome, but be prepared to shrug and walk away. Others will never give up and good on them. Ive got other priorities.

Same. Cant see the Register being a real help, based on the Australian experience, but hope it wont be a harm. It's a pity the funding couldn't be used more productively.

What I would like to see is a compromise - if the less-familiar side get their Register, it comes with a return of E-Category for all semi-automatic centrefire rifles.

Originally Posted by Oscar

Are there any legal issues for the Forum sharing that? It is the digital equivalent of nicking a paper from the supermarket.

It's posted on COLFO's website.
If you've got a problem with that, either you complain to them, or don't open the link yourself.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

It's posted on COLFO's website.
If you've got a problem with that, either you complain to them, or don't open the link yourself.

Oscar's concern was for the Forum wasn't it?

These high-velocity firearms are capable of destroying humans with the most horrendous injuries. Fired at the right place, a head will disintegrate

My head disintegrated by reading that.


And the picture halfway down with an OTs-14 Groza How many of those are in NZ?

My eyes were spinning like roulette wheels upon reading the emotional clap-trap by the predictable anti-gun types, my head almost exploded
So much emotion, so little logic…

Once your guns are registered, they really are not yours anymore. You just get to use them until the government takes them from you.

Confiscation ultimately is the real driver behind this,its happened in the UK,Sweden,Norway,Germany,Australia and New Zealand too. When Norway implemented registration it was done officially as a way to prevent communist factions from arming themselves, the cabinet minister who pushed hard for registration was later strongly suspected to have had ties to the Kremlin.So the registration myth was a typical game of Soviet Chess.

There was never to be a central gun register here,that was in order for the cops to be able to destroy all the records incase of invasion. Curiously Norway has moved to a central gun registry at a pretty inopportune time to do so.