Thread: Semi-automatic guns sold by Defence Force being used by gangs

Article written by cock face Cahill for a media release. What a giant load of decomposing horse shit. Pics of Chinese AR-15's on the Herald web pages? God this crap shits me!

Originally Posted by omegaspeedy

Article written by cock face Cahill for a media release. What a giant load of decomposing horse shit. Pics of Chinese AR-15's on the Herald web pages? God this crap shits me!

Why would the union president be making media releases on behalf of the police?

If you take a deep breath and read the article, it says it's taken from a briefing to the minister last year.

the only SLR which may have left the military into civvie hands was IIRC the one used by jan moolenaar in the napier shootout.one of his so called mates a TFarmy corporal "aalegedly'supplied the weapon and was later corutmartialled and given a dishonourable.

Originally Posted by gundoc

They were manufactured as semi-autos and that was the way the Army used them but it was a parts change to convert then to full auto. Before they could be sold to the public dealers had to modify them in a permanent manner as specified (and individually checked) by the Police. That involved grinding out the safety sear bent on the hammer, removing the safety sear and welding a spacer in the slot, and (initially) putting a stop pin on the safety selector. The Police system was not irreversible if you had a few clues, so I did a few mods (which they accepted) which gave a much more difficult system to convert. There were 2500 rifles put up for tender and I purchased 1000 of them. The next biggest purchase was for 400 and all the rest went out in smaller numbers. Being the biggest purchaser I got the best rifles and they arrived in my shop 31 March 1988. I had been at Trentham the day before to supervise loading the container and getting my permit signed. That was the biggest cheque I had ever written at that stage of my life!

Gundoc, I recall back about 30 years ago someone (I think Tony Loughnan?) telling me about an SLR malfunction on a range, it wouldn't fire or locked up or something, then slamfired unexpectedly, emptying a near full mag into the ground. Do you know anything about this story? I vaguely recall it was one of the first rifles on the civilian market, but can't remember details.

Originally Posted by Maca49

And how many SLRs were registered anyway? I bought one, I’m sure it would have been traceable?
E cats are now registered? So is the system not working? They don’t seem to follow up? Serial numbers? Even ground or filed off, the numbers still there!
Orchestrated beat up I think?

What do you think about that, @systolic? Is NZ Police negligent?

Originally Posted by Ben Waimata

Gundoc, I recall back about 30 years ago someone (I think Tony Loughnan?) telling me about an SLR malfunction on a range, it wouldn't fire or locked up or something, then slamfired unexpectedly, emptying a near full mag into the ground. Do you know anything about this story? I vaguely recall it was one of the first rifles on the civilian market, but can't remember details.

I had not heard about that event but it would be easily possible if someone had tried to alter the trigger pull to the wrong angle or engagement. That could trip the hammer from the impact of the bolt closing, giving uncontrolled fire.

The only reason any SLR's would be floating around the underscum is they didn't get declared when they bought in the whole E cat thing. There's probably a fair number of AK's kicking around as well.

i had a tokarev svt40 (7.62x54) go auto on me . scared the living hell out of me.
luckily i was at a range because the muzzle rise was huge.

Originally Posted by csmiffy

@Rushy @gundoc
what is with you two bending over for bubba?

Smell would be worse than shrimp!!

Originally Posted by gonetropo

i had a tokarev svt40 (7.62x54) go auto on me . scared the living hell out of me.
luckily i was at a range because the muzzle rise was huge.

The rifle and the one in your pants?

Originally Posted by Maca49

The rifle and the one in your pants?

thats more of a howitzer

Originally Posted by gonetropo

thats more of a howitzer

Short sighted, small hands or both..?

Originally Posted by gundoc

The Police system was not irreversible if you had a few clues, so I did a few mods (which they accepted) which gave a much more difficult system to convert. !

@gundoc you meany!

Originally Posted by systolic

Why would the union president be making media releases on behalf of the police?

If you take a deep breath and read the article, it says it's taken from a briefing to the minister last year.

Because he is a master manipulator with hand in many pies who feeds ideas to many parties. It reeks of him! The reason the minister gets briefed this crap is because Cahill feeds the lies to the right people. Obviously I have no proof but it's a strong hunch.

Originally Posted by Rushy

I felt it a better than safe bet that bubba was not getting anywhere near me.

long as it wasn't wishful thinking. Not judging.
If you are locked away we cant have that Waikato you were shouting