Thread: Should movie stars be allowed to outsource personal responsibility?

Apparently the armourer had placed 3 guns on a bench outside the set. At least one was loaded live for use for a particular effect in a scene. She may have then left them unattended but that's unclear. An assistant directer came off the set and fetched one back onto the set and gave it to Baldwin with the words "cold gun". Unclear if they started shooting the scene or if Baldwin just gave the trigger a pull while fiddling with it.

1. Ultimately the armourer is at fault for not supervising the selection of the gun, or not tagging it as live or some such.
2. The Ass Director contributed negligence by not checking the gun, or not checking with the armourer which gun she had prepped for the scene and for giving Baldwin the impression it was "cold" (unloaded).
3. Baldwin should have checked that he had the correct gun for the scene and not taken the Ass Directors word for it.

At least one, possibly all three of them, will face Involuntary Manslaughter charge I reckon.

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Could all stunt guns not be ‘pinned’ across the chamber so that only blanks can inserted - not longer live loads?

Or is that too simplistic?

That would ruin a whole shit load of fine firearms. Most theatrical armourers have very nice collections.
Be a total shame to vandalise them for the sake of the stupid.

Originally Posted by ishoot10s

Apparently the armourer had placed 3 guns on a bench outside the set. At least one was loaded live for use for a particular effect in a scene. She may have then left them unattended but that's unclear. An assistant directer came off the set and fetched one back onto the set and gave it to Baldwin with the words "cold gun". Unclear if they started shooting the scene or if Baldwin just gave the trigger a pull while fiddling with it.

1. Ultimately the armourer is at fault for not supervising the selection of the gun, or not tagging it as live or some such.
2. The Ass Director contributed negligence by not checking the gun, or not checking with the armourer which gun she had prepped for the scene and for giving Baldwin the impression it was "cold" (unloaded).
3. Baldwin should have checked that he had the correct gun for the scene and not taken the Ass Directors word for it.

At least one, possibly all three of them, will face Involuntary Manslaughter charge I reckon.

You are forgetting the dead woman, she was also at fault for not checking the thing.
I would not let anyone point one at me without checking it myself first, and personally handing it to them.

I work in the movie/film industry. Have seen enough blanks causing damage let alone live ammunition. That's what post vfx houses are for.... creating a real looking muzzle blast, recoil etc.

Why would you have live rounds on the set ?

Originally Posted by chainsaw

Why would you have live rounds on the set ?

Exactly what I have been thinking.

Baldwin has been outspoken enough about firearms- he can get stuffed. My sympathies are with the dead and injured.

Originally Posted by chainsaw

Why would you have live rounds on the set ?

Sometimes live rounds are fired to film impacts etc. but usually on an empty set. Many years ago live rounds were fired just in front or behind actors by marksmen but modern editing and special effects have eliminated that practice!

Originally Posted by chainsaw

Why would you have live rounds on the set ?

Latest reports/rumours are that ‘the’ gun, a Colt pistol, was used by crew for target practise during down time and that live and blank ammunition were stored together on set. If thats true its absolute insanity.

Originally Posted by Kopua Cowboy

Baldwin has been outspoken enough about firearms- he can get stuffed. My sympathies are with the dead and injured.

yup in the news "baldwin has been public opponent of the NRA" ......translated: anti gun activist..... and here he is trying to make a living off the gun violence of american history....so hopefully we will see baldwin , the assisstant director the armourer all charged but it wont end there expect to see civil lawsuits lodged against them all and the production co and anyone else some high priced lawyer can think of

What I dont understand is why he shot the production crew? I would have expected an actor he was supposed to shoot at in the script that would have been hit.

Possibly a scene of him coming out of a building and shooting towards the "screen".

Originally Posted by Fawls

What I dont understand is why he shot the production crew? I would have expected an actor he was supposed to shoot at in the script that would have been hit.

A M E R I C A ?

Its all a little odd to me.. a gunhater starring in a film using firearms, who actually shoots and kills someone on set.
All I'm waiting for now is, when he turns around and blames the gun.

Originally Posted by scotty

yup in the news "baldwin has been public opponent of the NRA" .

Duh... NRA... National Rifle Association... everyone knows pistols are safer.