Thread: Should movie stars be allowed to outsource personal responsibility?

Typical of America's blas'e attitude towards firearm security/safety.

Originally Posted by 40mm

That would ruin a whole shit load of fine firearms. Most theatrical armourers have very nice collections.
Be a total shame to vandalise them for the sake of the stupid.

My possibly ignorant thought is: Why use the genuine/valuable firearms when there’s so many replicas out there?

Originally Posted by gundoc

Definitely the fault of the set armourer who has total responsibility for the firearms and blank ammunition on set. Actors, by and large, are nothing more than presentable monkeys who perform as the script instructs them. I have had a fair bit to do with some of them over the years while performing the duties of set armourer, and neither worldly intelligence nor common sense is the forte of many of them.

This.
It's the Armourer & Safety's job to make sure it's safe. End of story.
Please don't think of this like some abstract hunting trip gone bad. The Actor may have never seen a firearm in their life before. That's why it's called acting.

The whole thing just seems like a shit show all around.

https://news.yahoo.com/details-revea...115955055.html

I'm trying to picture the Andy McNab trained actors: Rob De Niro, Val Kilmer, Tom Sizemore, Wes Studi, Al Pacino, or Director Michael Mann making the same f**k up on the set of Heat in 1995.

Or purely computer generated FX muzzle flashes, flying brass and impact hits making the movie look as good.



Nah, just can't see it happening.

on radio today the last accidental shooting was mentioned...aparently that one was caused by a projectile lodged in barrel previously (unchecked) and a blank was fired behind it!!!!

comment of armourer being bit unsure about loading blanks.......once they inside cylinder the shape matters not...so they could EASILY be made completely different looking...crimped like ramset even....
its a sad day for effected families which ever way you look at it.

actors can be no more trusted with guns that teenage boys with condoms:

Maybe Alec Baldwin was set up by a crew member who had problems with the woman that was shot??

Originally Posted by Ranger 888

Maybe Alec Baldwin was set up by a crew member who had problems with the woman that was shot??

sounds like a hollywood movie plot..... will probably turn it into a movie to recover the costs of all the lawsuits coming

@dogmatix Friggen great movie, watched it for about the 10th time a couple days ago. The massive shootout was inspired by the real Phillips & Matasareanu one in North Hollywood.

Originally Posted by 40mm

There were three people at fault there.

The star for not che king it himself.
The person who passed it to him.
And the person who had it pointed at her, she should have also checked.

Nobody here seems to have ever heard of that other actor who got shot on set...

On a movie set, where you could have lots of actors shooting at lots of other actors - sometimes both ways - and you may have several retakes to get it right, it probably is not feasible to get every actor to check every gun and every round in every mag. They will have to rely on some specialist to check instead. I am not saying it is the best practice, just saying these are practical concerns.

Also, not every actor who acts with a gun is necessarily a firearm owner and user. if there was a live round in a gun by mistake, it could be just as dangerous to rely on someone who do not what they are doing to identify and remedy the situation.

It is for this reason when you fly Jetstar, they do not let you inspect the plane. You rely on some aviation technical whom you do not know and never met to make sure the plane is airworthy.

I've just never seen anywhere in any firearm code where any shooter (be it licensed or operating under supervision) doesn't retain a large responsibility
for safely handling that firearm. Sure, there's liability for the safety staff, but that's a separate issue.

I think that he will face a jury who haven't seen all this 'its not his fault, he's just an actor' angle.
I can see the cops handing out charges in a 360degree pattern.

-Failed to personally clear the weapon (as seems to be required of him personally by law in New Texas, and industry standard operating procedures)
-Didn't keep his finger out of the trigger guard as trained on multiple film sets.
-Failed to hire sufficiently experienced safety staff in his capacity as co producer
-Failed to act on the serious safety breaches in his capacity as co producer
-Failed to report staff for plinking and bringing live ammunition to his site (if they can prove he knew which wont be too hard if he was aware).

I reckon he's going to get eaten alive by lawyers (my 2c). Not a lot of wiggle room in those questions for his defense team.

Originally Posted by dogmatix

I'm trying to picture the Andy McNab trained actors: Rob De Niro, Val Kilmer, Tom Sizemore, Wes Studi, Al Pacino, or Director Michael Mann making the same f**k up on the set of Heat in 1995.

Or purely computer generated FX muzzle flashes, flying brass and impact hits making the movie look as good.

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Nah, just can't see it happening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAOl...hannel=jaicban

extra loud blanks made HEAT a great movie.

Originally Posted by ishoot10s

@dogmatix Friggen great movie, watched it for about the 10th time a couple days ago. The massive shootout was inspired by the real Phillips & Matasareanu one in North Hollywood.

those guys really needed to work on their accuracy. I read they shot 1000 rounds down range and they still got clapped.

Originally Posted by Russian 22.

I read they shot 1000 rounds down range and they still got clapped.

They swallowed a ton of Matasareanu’s epilepsy pills to steady themselves before the robbery. That came back to bite them or Phillips at least who prolly wasn’t used to the drug, and he started to lose the plot. But they still managed to cause a lot of damage to property and vehicles and certainly injured a lot of police and civilians. If nothing else, that drama resulted in a lot of PD’s rethinking armed response and they tooled up big time in the aftermath.

Apparently the same gun used on set was also used by the crew for recreational target shooting off set. Both live rounds and blanks were present on set because of this recreational activity. The armorer is an incompetent nepotism hire. There are multiple layers of utter failure that occurred in this incident.