Thread: Sick of it all. Off to war.

Originally Posted by systolic

Helping the cause?

Calling for concealed carry in New Zealand and blaming foreigners for him not being able to get a job?

Anti immigration, big chips on his shoulder and owns guns. Make us all look like loonies. Not what we need.

At times systolic I really do think that you are off on a tangent and completely out of step, but on this one I'm inclined to agree with you.

Originally Posted by Tahr

At times systolic I really do think that you are off on a tangent and completely out of step, but on this one I'm inclined to agree with you.

The problem is, if he does make a good point (and I agree this is one of them), because he's spent the rest of the time being a dick for the sake of it, no-one wants to hear it. You reap what you sow I'm afraid.

As has been said before get back under your bridge

Originally Posted by tararua

I am writing to you all in the hope of revving up the internet hate machine even more. I know a lot of you have been contacting local representatives lately, I ask you to double your efforts.

Police Association, who may represent a few senior members of NZPD, are out of touch with majority of officers on front line.

They are focusing on criminalizing law abiding citizens, and getting speed tickets to plug their leaky revenue. This is at the expense of the meth and related burglary epidemic. Our country is drowning in drugs, my scientist friend at a university has been spectroscopying synthetic cannabis lately, they have found lots of PCP or angeldust turning up in it.

My solution, call, send letters and berate our local representatives. I am going to be calling as many as possible over the next two days. I am not going to stop until I am asked to stop calling.

I am going to be asking why Chris Cahill's focus is on law abiding gun owners in the midst of what is possibly our worst drug crisis. I am going to ask why foreign fishing boats and mega offshore processing ships plunder our waters. I am going to ask why we don't scan incoming mail under a certain size/value for drugs. I am going to ask if the firearms report will be done and dusted by the election, or will it loom waiting for the next gun grabbers to come along in the next government. I am going to ask why are we putting 90,000 immigrants per year first and citizens second. I am going to ask if we can turn off the immigrant taps so one day I might be able to get a job and buy a house. I am going to ask why WINZ is shipping in foreign workers for freezing works while I am a trained butcher who was blackballed by alliance group limited (after they chopped my finger off and sacked me to avoid liability, no compensation) and can't get a job in the industry. I am going to ask where are all the jobs to stop kids turning to crime for work.

Why the heck can't we patrol our waters? We have how many private citizens in the jet boat club, but not one bloody speed boat in our navy to patrol what is going to be one of the worlds largest marine territories.

This is no longer about police association and a few lone anti gunners. It is about police not being able to do their job and this place turning to shit.

If anyone else has some good questions I can ask I am all ears. I am going to dedicate my full energy to this and hopefully make NZ better than I found it.

I admire your passion and enthusiasm, but I'm not certain that this is the correct approach. Something more measured might be more effective. The antis are hanging out for us to confirm their negative frames about firearm owners. And on the other issues you will sound just as repetitive as all of the others who share your views.

Oh well let's all bag the guy and do nothing our selves I may or may not agree with they way he's going about it but but at least it looks like he's going to get off his Arse and give it a go

Originally Posted by northdude

Oh well let's all bag the guy and do nothing our selves I may or may not agree with they way he's going about it but but at least it looks like he's going to get off his Arse and give it a go

He would be better off putting the effort in to get himself a job than wanting to try to solve the whole country's problems, as he sees them, in one go.

Well that's your opinion and he has one as well how about showing him how its done then

If you cannot get a job, sit down and have a bloody good look at yourself and sort what YOUR problem is, because most employers are looking for GOOD people and there maybe your prob. Its like owning firearms, jobs are not a right, they are a priviledge!! IMHO.

Originally Posted by Maca49

If you cannot get a job, sit down and have a bloody good look at yourself and sort what YOUR problem is, because most employers are looking for GOOD people and there maybe your prob. Its like owning firearms, jobs are not a right, they are a priviledge!! IMHO.

You might have to post this later in the day. He won't be up yet.

He's been up late spouting his agenda about concealed carry and castle doctrine.



Although I'm not sure how he's going to buy a castle without a job.

Originally Posted by Maca49

If you cannot get a job, sit down and have a bloody good look at yourself and sort what YOUR problem is, because most employers are looking for GOOD people and there maybe your prob. Its like owning firearms, jobs are not a right, they are a priviledge!! IMHO.

An opinion is evidence/information that has bearing on the issue. Before it can be evidence it has to be relevant and admissible. On that basis you are still wrong about firearm ownership, it is a legal right recognised in legislation. So your opinion is worthless and not relevant - so not admissible, it also has no weight because you are just incorrect.

You are however correct about obtaining a job. Its not a right. Once you have it of course your ability to keep it is controlled by legal rights that apply to both parties.

Opinions are not feelings, nor are they unjustiable thoughts. Opinions are information and analysis coming from competance and capacity, that has bearing on the issue. It has to be relevant before it can be offered. It shouldn't be offered unless it comes from competance.

So you are partly right about one aspect. That would get you about 12.5%.... a bare pass mark for a quarter of the topics covered.

Why is it everyone seems to believe that their opinion actually matters, when all they are doing is saying what they want to think, rather than what actually is?

Originally Posted by Sidney

An opinion is evidence/information that has bearing on the issue. Before it can be evidence it has to be relevant and admissible. On that basis you are still wrong about firearm ownership, it is a legal right recognised in legislation. So your opinion is worthless and not relevant - so not admissible, it also has no weight because you are just incorrect.

You are however correct about obtaining a job. Its not a right. Once you have it of course your ability to keep it is controlled by legal rights that apply to both parties.

Opinions are not feelings, nor are they unjustiable thoughts. Opinions are information and analysis coming from competance and capacity, that has bearing on the issue. It has to be relevant before it can be offered. It shouldn't be offered unless it comes from competance.

So you are partly right about one aspect. That would get you about 12.5%.... a bare pass mark for a quarter of the topics covered.

Why is it everyone seems to believe that their opinion actually matters, when all they are doing is saying what they want to think, rather than what actually is?

And dear Sidney before you can become any real practical use, that academic helicopter of yours is going to have to land.

Originally Posted by Sidney

An opinion is evidence/information that has bearing on the issue. Before it can be evidence it has to be relevant and admissible. On that basis you are still wrong about firearm ownership, it is a legal right recognised in legislation. So your opinion is worthless and not relevant - so not admissible, it also has no weight because you are just incorrect.

You are however correct about obtaining a job. Its not a right. Once you have it of course your ability to keep it is controlled by legal rights that apply to both parties.

Opinions are not feelings, nor are they unjustiable thoughts. Opinions are information and analysis coming from competance and capacity, that has bearing on the issue. It has to be relevant before it can be offered. It shouldn't be offered unless it comes from competance.

So you are partly right about one aspect. That would get you about 12.5%.... a bare pass mark for a quarter of the topics covered.

Why is it everyone seems to believe that their opinion actually matters, when all they are doing is saying what they want to think, rather than what actually is?

I'll give you a 10/10 for accuracy there

Originally Posted by jackson21

I'll give you a 10/10 for accuracy there

I wouldn't.

Opinion

A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

An opinion is a viewpoint/judgement made by someone from what they have observed and know.

Sidneys very narrow opinion on opinion is just his and his trades opinion on opinion.

Originally Posted by gadgetman

I wouldn't.



An opinion is a viewpoint/judgement made by someone from what they have observed and know.

Sidneys very narrow opinion on opinion is just his and his trades opinion on opinion.

Well actually no not just mine.... that definition is a 100% correct for what is "legal opinion" and it is the criteria by which information is accessed before it can be offered as evidence to a court.

The reason that I promoted it is because of the sloppy public perception of what opinion is in the public arena these days.

As you illustrate in your definition it is apparently sufficient to form "opinion" without knowledge or understanding. That definition is reflective of what has occurred, rather than what needs to be happening.

That is damaging, it is the source of many of our issues and preoccupations. Macca for example and his weed kneed judges. His gut feelings have not been checked, offending levels are lower and prison numbers are higher. He's just wrong but apparently his gut feelings give him licence to express opinion without knowledge or understanding. Thus perpetuating a myth in public opinion.

No harm in general discussion, no harm in talking about what we feel about issues, gut feeling can provide insight and knowledge from experience can be valuable, but it still has to be put into context and checked before it can be legitimate. If is not weighed, its of no value and it can be problematic.

My father used to tell me as a kid to shut up and listen and learn. These days apparently "everybody has a right to an opinion" apparently also means that no knowledge or understanding is required, and everybody must express what they don't know or understand to secure that right... how stupid is that?

Let me paraphrase what this means...... "well thats my opinion anyway" means, I haven't got a clue what I am talking about and I want you all to know that.

So my "narrow opinion" of opinion is merely offered as a counter to stupidity and the public expression of it.... you can all thank me now...

And yes I know that this is an internet forum...

I have enough trouble with my own staff's problems without looking after anyone else's.