Thread: Support for tighter Acat storage

Originally Posted by Jexla

Sounds good, who's going to move that to my next rental for me?

@Jexla Are you being a helpless girl here regarding a heavier-than-usual safe, or is it about the logistics of security system wiring in a rental?

You can get a plug-in alarm system with a couple battery-operated IR sensors that communicate with the main system via radio waves. No-one knows if it's monitored or not, and most burglars will anyway get too nervous about staying too long once a siren has gone off. Not perfect but we are talking of layered security where every bit helps.

e.g. Talking of layered security, if you are into pistols, why not also get yourself a crappy safe from Mitre 10, bolt it to the floor, and throw a couple of broken Airsoft pistols with some "A-cat ammo" for authenticity into it?

Originally Posted by systolic

Sell your guns and use the money towards a deposit for a house.

You're full of bright ideas.
As a student I'm not in a position to start saving to buy a house, so what's the point of selling up my 1 of 2 hobbies that help keep me sane?

Originally Posted by Cordite

@Jexla Are you being a helpless girl here regarding a heavier-than-usual safe, or is it about the logistics of security system wiring in a rental?

You can get a plug-in alarm system with a couple battery-operated IR sensors that communicate with the main system via radio waves. No-one knows if it's monitored or not, and most burglars will anyway get too nervous about staying too long once a siren has gone off. Not perfect but we are talking of layered security where every bit helps.

e.g. Talking of layered security, if you are into pistols, why not also get yourself a crappy safe from Mitre 10, bolt it to the floor, and throw a couple of broken Airsoft pistols with some "A-cat ammo" for authenticity into it?

When he said don't get a self install system he was referring to shit like that.

Originally Posted by Cordite

@gonetropo with you on keeping mom. Do tell more of your MDF glue-in project. Where did you get that idea from?

Anyone else have simple ideas for increasing an A-cat safe's resistance?

well i once had to cut through a metal sheet that had an mdf structure inside it, those disc cutting blades sure dont like it and fill the room with smoke really fast. i have heard of a hollow door filled with ball bearings, that would be near impossible.
of course if it was legal a door filled with ball bearings and gunpowder would sure stop re-offending

Just get a couple of dangerous guard dogs that attack.

How about when the police cock up as they did in Whangarei, they apologise to everyone they blamed for easy access to firearms and admit they should have questioned the guy on his FAL a month before the shooting and now find out it was typical criminal activity, which new rules on abiding FAL owner will not fix and then deal harshly to the Crimson? Maybe the judges could be retrained in the area of tougher sentencing??

The A cat security levels need to be raised, no doubt. Saying that it is "pointless and impractical" or is just irresponsible, and such statements are usually dished out by people who have no idea what they're talking about.

I've never heard of a safe being cut into up here during a burglary, most have found the keys, levered them open or ripped them out completely, all of which could be easily remedied. In fact every one I've been too has been down to poor storage, if they'd not found the keys or the safe was fixed and of stronger construction it's likely they never would've been found.

I cut a safe open once, a Buffalo River one, and if you have no knowledge of the internal mechanics then it's not as easy as you'd think, especially when they're in a wardrobe. Criminals with decent gear and knowledge on these things are very much an exception, not a rule, and those few exceptions are not really a valid argument, anyone could get into a bank vault given enough time and gear. That argument would also imply that we shouldn't have any more security other than to overcome a child as it's pointless because they will get it anyway.

Most people here haven't met the kind of people that burgle houses and steal guns, they don't look far enough ahead to think about the consequences, tougher sentences won't deter, however they will keep the scum out of circulation for longer. Strong sentences are dished out to meth dealers, but there are still plenty of them around.

I get sick of the stupid "ban knives" argument, it's just a typical deflection response from people who are unable to debate the facts. Another one is the "give them an inch and they'll take a mile", how about give a necessary inch and they won't take and unreasonable mile". I prefer a work and reason with approach myself.

As for restricting magazines etc, I think the horse has already bolted.

The reason for aesthetic features being restricted is that these features feature on certain types of firearms which attract a certain type of person, a person who would hopefully be identified through further vetting. That's the reasoning behind it, not particularly the lethality of the weapon.

I think universal E-cat standard should be sufficient.

Originally Posted by Maca49

How about when the police cock up as they did in Whangarei, they apologise to everyone they blamed for easy access to firearms and admit they should have questioned the guy on his FAL a month before the shooting and now find out it was typical criminal activity, which new rules on abiding FAL owner will not fix and then deal harshly to the Crimson? Maybe the judges could be retrained in the area of tougher sentencing??

What evidence have you got of this stuff up? Come on Maca I'm dying to hear this. I know the cop who visited him and know what was said/asked etc.

I'm 99.99% sure I know a hell of a lot more about this incident than you.

How about you make sure you know what you're talking about before making accusations, saves you from looking like an idiot when the story comes out.

Originally Posted by Jexla

When he said don't get a self install system he was referring to sh*t like that.

@Jexla, you complained his ideal professionally installed no-sh*t security system was no option for you given your rental situation.

I then, to be helpful, pointed out a simple option which can be installed in any dwelling, including yours, and outlined advantages it could provide irrespective of it being unmonitored, and you call it "sh*t".

But such petulance leaves you with no solution for your rental, does it not?

Originally Posted by Paddy79

Just get a couple of dangerous guard dogs that attack.

Might need a big safe to accommodate both your Dobermans and your guns. Anyone remember Kato pouncing on Inspector Closeau from the fridge?

Originally Posted by Savage1

What evidence have you got of this stuff up? Come on Maca I'm dying to hear this. I know the cop who visited him and know what was said/asked etc.

I'm 99.99% sure I know a hell of a lot more about this incident than you.

How about you make sure you know what you're talking about before making accusations, saves you from looking like an idiot when the story comes out.

Mate, I appreciate where you are coming from. Problem is; your NZPA President has no problem with disseminating LIES and INNUENDO before said facts come out. The relationship with the community at large (not just licensed firearms owners) needs to be addressed - turns out those who wear suits aren't smart enough to realise this!!

Originally Posted by Savage1

I get sick of the stupid "ban knives" argument, it's just a typical deflection response from people who are unable to debate the facts. Another one is the "give them an inch and they'll take a mile", how about give a necessary inch and they won't take and unreasonable mile". I prefer a work and reason with approach myself.

Deflection or common reasoning without emotional sensationalism? Apparently there is a problem in the UK since they now have no problem with firearms (yeah right).

Unfortunately after what they have just tried most of us have 0 faith that they wont take the unreasonable mile. Police HQ have lost all credibility, maybe first try to get it back?

I have no problem in the debate over security but PHQ has F**** that one up totally.

Originally Posted by Savage1

What evidence have you got of this stuff up? Come on Maca I'm dying to hear this. I know the cop who visited him and know what was said/asked etc.

I'm 99.99% sure I know a hell of a lot more about this incident than you.

How about you make sure you know what you're talking about before making accusations, saves you from looking like an idiot when the story comes out.

OK tell us then @Savage1 We are all keen to know.

I have noticed the Police silence on this one. Are they still trying to pin it back to licensed firearm owners? That seems to be the normal approach now.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Deflection or common reasoning without emotional sensationalism? Apparently there is a problem in the UK since they now have no problem with firearms (yeah right).

Unfortunately after what they have just tried most of us have 0 faith that they wont take the unreasonable mile. Police HQ have lost all credibility, maybe first try to get it back?

I have no problem in the debate over security but PHQ has F**** that one up totally.

Nope, definitely deflection, just as you are continuing to do with this post, deflecting the issue of firearms security with the issues of PNHQ behaviour.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

OK tell us then @Savage1 We are all keen to know.

I have noticed the Police silence on this one. Are they still trying to pin it back to licensed firearm owners? That seems to be the normal approach now.

You will find out in time, it's not my place to say.

Police always remain silent for a long time on issues like this, better to wait and have the correct information than make assumptions and wild guesses without all available information. It's the responsible thing to do.

Originally Posted by Savage1

You will find out in time, it's not my place to say.

Police always remain silent for a long time on issues like this, better to wait and have the correct information than make assumptions and wild guesses without all available information. It's the responsible thing to do.

Tell that to your president....