Thread: surrender your FAL

Originally Posted by mikee

Following along you must need a garage now if you apply for a drivers licence ??

Given the numbers of certain types of vehicles stolen with the direct intention to commit crimes (ram raids) - this actually isn't a stupid statement.

Originally Posted by mikee
Following along you must need a garage now if you apply for a drivers licence ??

Originally Posted by No.3

Given the numbers of certain types of vehicles stolen with the direct intention to commit crimes (ram raids) - this actually isn't a stupid statement.

The State of Queensland went one better than that.
If you leave your vehicle unattended, meaning more than 3 metres from it, in any "road related area, including car-parks", you must lock it. Windows must be closed to within 5 cm of being fully closed.
Curiously, it is not a requirement to lock ones home when absent from it, although you might have difficulty with your insurer if claiming a loss because of theft.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Curiously, it is not a requirement to lock ones home when absent from it, although you might have difficulty with your insurer if claiming a loss because of theft.

Unless it was a caravan, I'd say top effort to whomever managed to nick a whole house

This has always been the case but has previously not been enforced to the letter.

Until very recently with the shambles of relicencing it was required for the applicants firearms to be stored at another FAL holders safe while the relicencing process was completed, seems that if that was okay with the police then for securing firearms then holding a FAL and keeping your firearm in another safe should be okay now. The safe keeping of a firearm should be on merit and assessed for each individual by the plods, and not a blanket decree is which is not efficient at all. My son will apply next April and I'll give him his own safe at my residence (and his residence) and a rifle he can call his own for licencing purposes if that is what is required.

Know Army personnel who live on site but store their personal weapons at private addresses of mates with the blessing of the Arms Officer.

Well any minute now, one of those bloody good cops who enjoys shooting will be along to explain why these new applications of an existong law are a good idea.

Surely?

Originally Posted by schwen

Talking to the son of a friend last night over dinner. He registered a change of address as required (has a FAL but no guns). Apparently, as he was moving into a rental apartment in which he could not install a gun safe he was asked to surrender his licence or face arrest.

Apparently the new law changes require FAL holders to have secure storage, and without it, you don't have the right to hold the licence. Sort of makes sense, but seems OTT.

It seems like a total over reach of authority given that all firearms will need to be registered soon

maybe.....just maybe instead of all guessing and taking pot shots at the police anyone interested in actually finding out could ring their local arms officer for clarification.
Trying to goad police officers who are members on here into responding is very likely to get no response as I'm sure like most government agencies police are likely bound by a code of conduct that precludes them from speaking about operational information publicly or on social media.

No hate guys but arguing about this kind of stuff on here never ends well.
In reality is it really that hard to have a padlock and chain around your water heater or a shackle fixed to a truss in your roof space if it is indeed a requirement ? I'd be inclined to do either of those before handing in my FAL with the current format and amount of mucking around it takes to get your FAL reinstated.
I mean even having a gun rack securely mounted to a stud in your linen closet or built in robe would be compliant if done properly and easily removed and no evidence it was ever there if you moved out of said rental property.
It seems to me like it would be very easy to comply with the secure storage component quite cheaply and effectively if so required, but it's much more fun to argue about it on the interweb and make ourselves look dumb instead of fit and proper

Originally Posted by dannyb

maybe.....just maybe instead of all guessing and taking pot shots at the police anyone interested in actually finding out could ring their local arms officer for clarification.
Trying to goad police officers who are members on here into responding is very likely to get no response as I'm sure like most government agencies police are likely bound by a code of conduct that precludes them from speaking about operational information publicly or on social media.

No hate guys but arguing about this kind of stuff on here never ends well.
In reality is it really that hard to have a padlock and chain around your water heater or a shackle fixed to a truss in your roof space if it is indeed a requirement ? I'd be inclined to do either of those before handing in my FAL with the current format and amount of mucking around it takes to get your FAL reinstated.
I mean even having a gun rack securely mounted to a stud in your linen closet or built in robe would be compliant if done properly and easily removed and no evidence it was ever there if you moved out of said rental property.
It seems to me like it would be very easy to comply with the secure storage component quite cheaply and effectively if so required, but it's much more fun to argue about it on the interweb and make ourselves look dumb instead of fit and proper

I don't agree.

The Police who enjoy this site either support the changes or do not. Discussing their point of veiw is not breaching their code of conduct any more than discussing an increase in Green fees at the local Golf club does.

Originally Posted by norsk

I don't agree.

The Police who enjoy this site either support the changes or do not. Discussing their point of veiw is not breaching their code of conduct any more than discussing an increase in Green fees at the local Golf club does.

well good luck with that, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

Originally Posted by norsk

I don't agree.

The Police who enjoy this site either support the changes or do not. Discussing their point of veiw is not breaching their code of conduct any more than discussing an increase in Green fees at the local Golf club does.

It's in their contract like defence that they can't. Basically you can't criticize or state your position on the organization publicly.

I believe for nzdf the charge was bringing the service into disrepute

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

It's in their contract like defence that they can't. Basically you can't criticize or state your position on the organization publicly.

I believe for nzdf the charge was bringing the service into disrepute

Download their code of conduct and read through it.
Its easy to find online.

firearms-secure-storage-guidance (3).pdf

Originally Posted by jackson21

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No, you'll have to do better than that.
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