Thread: surrender your FAL

firearms-secure-storage-guidance (6).pdf

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Originally Posted by mikee

Following along you must need a garage now if you apply for a drivers licence ??

Given the numbers of certain types of vehicles stolen with the direct intention to commit crimes (ram raids) - this actually isn't a stupid statement.

I'm laughing my son's a carpet layer by trade everytime I move house we just lift the carpet bolt the safes in the wardrobe and when I moved he puts the carpet back in doesn't look any different than the day we moved in

Originally Posted by mikee
Following along you must need a garage now if you apply for a drivers licence ??

Originally Posted by No.3

Given the numbers of certain types of vehicles stolen with the direct intention to commit crimes (ram raids) - this actually isn't a stupid statement.

The State of Queensland went one better than that.
If you leave your vehicle unattended, meaning more than 3 metres from it, in any "road related area, including car-parks", you must lock it. Windows must be closed to within 5 cm of being fully closed.
Curiously, it is not a requirement to lock ones home when absent from it, although you might have difficulty with your insurer if claiming a loss because of theft.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Curiously, it is not a requirement to lock ones home when absent from it, although you might have difficulty with your insurer if claiming a loss because of theft.

Unless it was a caravan, I'd say top effort to whomever managed to nick a whole house

Originally Posted by GDMP

Except that many modern vehicles do not allow that, if you have the windows even slightly open and lock the vehicle the alarm will go off....

Not if they have pet mode, which most do.

I know of two people who are doing that very thing right now...the firearms are in another persons safe.actually make that 3....

Originally Posted by imaca

There is no reason he cannot install a gunsafe in his flat, permission from the landlord or property manager is not required.
He will have to make good any holes etc when he leaves

If it introduces a dynamic into the flat, that might be another issue

Sorry but you are wrong, the landlord can deny you permission to install a gunsafe.

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

Sorry but you are wrong, the landlord can deny you permission to install a gunsafe.

Just put a gun rack up hidden in a cupboard somewhere. I wouldn't even ask really. Never did when we were renting. Had a big safe in a cupboard. Regular inspections and they never even looked in any cupboard and they shouldn't really. We just made sure it was all tidy and back to how it was when we bought our own house.

Originally Posted by dannyb

maybe.....just maybe instead of all guessing and taking pot shots at the police anyone interested in actually finding out could ring their local arms officer for clarification.
Trying to goad police officers who are members on here into responding is very likely to get no response as I'm sure like most government agencies police are likely bound by a code of conduct that precludes them from speaking about operational information publicly or on social media.

No hate guys but arguing about this kind of stuff on here never ends well.
In reality is it really that hard to have a padlock and chain around your water heater or a shackle fixed to a truss in your roof space if it is indeed a requirement ? I'd be inclined to do either of those before handing in my FAL with the current format and amount of mucking around it takes to get your FAL reinstated.
I mean even having a gun rack securely mounted to a stud in your linen closet or built in robe would be compliant if done properly and easily removed and no evidence it was ever there if you moved out of said rental property.
It seems to me like it would be very easy to comply with the secure storage component quite cheaply and effectively if so required, but it's much more fun to argue about it on the interweb and make ourselves look dumb instead of fit and proper

I don't agree.

The Police who enjoy this site either support the changes or do not. Discussing their point of veiw is not breaching their code of conduct any more than discussing an increase in Green fees at the local Golf club does.

Originally Posted by norsk

I don't agree.

The Police who enjoy this site either support the changes or do not. Discussing their point of veiw is not breaching their code of conduct any more than discussing an increase in Green fees at the local Golf club does.

well good luck with that, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

Originally Posted by norsk

I don't agree.

The Police who enjoy this site either support the changes or do not. Discussing their point of veiw is not breaching their code of conduct any more than discussing an increase in Green fees at the local Golf club does.

It's in their contract like defence that they can't. Basically you can't criticize or state your position on the organization publicly.

I believe for nzdf the charge was bringing the service into disrepute

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

It's in their contract like defence that they can't. Basically you can't criticize or state your position on the organization publicly.

I believe for nzdf the charge was bringing the service into disrepute

Download their code of conduct and read through it.
Its easy to find online.

Originally Posted by norsk

Download their code of conduct and read through it.
Its easy to find online.

I think what you’re looking for is page six of that document

“Our Reputation

We act professionally, exercise good judgement and are accountable for our behaviour. We must not do anything that may bring Police into disrepute. We consider the impact of our behaviour on Police at all times, including online or in social media, and outside of work. We protect Police’s integrity and reputation by speaking up about any inappropriate behaviour we see and hear. By addressing inappropriate behaviour either directly or through managers, we make Police a safer and healthy workplace.“

Originally Posted by KeyMod

I think what you’re looking for is page six of that document

“Our Reputation

We act professionally, exercise good judgement and are accountable for our behaviour. We must not do anything that may bring Police into disrepute. We consider the impact of our behaviour on Police at all times, including online or in social media, and outside of work. We protect Police’s integrity and reputation by speaking up about any inappropriate behaviour we see and hear. By addressing inappropriate behaviour either directly or through managers, we make Police a safer and healthy workplace.“

Thats it.

Discussing a topic and voicing your support or explaining your reasons against would not be bringing the organisation into disrepute?

End of the day its up to them.