Thread: Trial Firearm Licence Firearm Safety Programme

Originally Posted by muzza

Currently MSC volunteers are still conducting the courses. In the event that MSC get the new contract I beleive many of those volunteers will not be available . Most of us are hanging in there for the people who require licences , not for any sense of duty to MSC.

That's the certainly the situation in the South Waikato. Although, we resigned from MSC a while back and currently deal with the police direct.

Originally Posted by Ryan

Makes sense and makes for more confident and responsible firearm owners. One doesn't just provide theoretical training on how to operate cars, forklifts, lathes etc.

How much real practical training will someone get in an hour or two? (Divided by the number of people on the course.)

As the instructors are usually dealing with people with little or no experience with guns, surely any practical training needs to be one on one?

A two hour course with 20 people equals six minutes each. Unless you have more instructors, less students or make people take a longer course.

I think any practical part will be pretty much the same as it is now: How to open the actions of different types of guns and check they are unloaded.

Originally Posted by systolic

How much real practical training will someone get in an hour or two? (Divided by the number of people on the course.)

As the instructors are usually dealing with people with little or no experience with guns, surely any practical training needs to be one on one?

A two hour course with 20 people equals six minutes each. Unless you have more instructors, less students or make people take a longer course.

I think any practical part will be pretty much the same as it is now: How to open the actions of different types of guns and check they are unloaded.

Most initial training prior to Toet training in the Army is only a 30-40 min lesson for a number of students that have never handled a firearm.

Certainly won't have the repetition the military has but I think it is achievable for a base understanding.

In fact I think only the military has the means to deliver the required police training with any consistency and efficiency, but that will never happen.


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Originally Posted by R93

Most initial training prior to Toet training in the Army is only a 30-40 min lesson for a number of students that have never handled a firearm.

Certainly won't have the repetition the military has but I think it is achievable for a base understanding.

In fact I think only the military has the means to deliver the required police training with any consistency and efficiency, but that will never happen.


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I would imagine the army students are all using the exact same type of gun?

That would make things a bit easier?

Originally Posted by systolic

How much real practical training will someone get in an hour or two? (Divided by the number of people on the course.)

As the instructors are usually dealing with people with little or no experience with guns, surely any practical training needs to be one on one?

A two hour course with 20 people equals six minutes each. Unless you have more instructors, less students or make people take a longer course.

I think any practical part will be pretty much the same as it is now: How to open the actions of different types of guns and check they are unloaded.

Certainly a valid point but without the specifics of the training program to hand, it's not possible for me to comment on how they intend achieving it or the standard set to achieve a pass. Interestingly, the practical aspect you mentioned was not covered at all when I sat my licence application which I found surprising.

It suggests that the former training content presented was inconsistent.

Originally Posted by Maca49

Bring back Cadets and rifles ranges at colleges, just like the good old days, plenty of skills learnt on handling and firing firearms, including pistols and all types of military weapons!! Sitting on the grass pulling them to bits and reassembling!! Oh and nobody died, the TV Aerial at the back of the rang took a hammering with the .22s!!
No wonder I got hooked early, of course I have rocks in my head for suggesting such things in this PC world today!!

hell, they are pulling school pools out for H&S reasons, they wont be letting kids near firearms.
the world has gone mad ! mad i tell you.
i cant go mad because i am a meat flavoured popsicle !!!

Originally Posted by gonetropo

hell, they are pulling school pools out for H&S reasons, they wont be letting kids near firearms.
the world has gone mad ! mad i tell you.
i cant go mad because i am a meat flavoured popsicle !!!

A company had to send a guy up to McLarens Falls near Tauranga, the other day to erect a sign warning not to swim or take shell fish from the dam, Day after he went back to remove it! 6 hours of pissing around. The tested water was fine!!

Simple if you sit your paperwork test and fail you should leave the room immediately and be made to repay another 200$ to re sit because right now you can go in fail and re do it then and there 6 times or more with help
the system in place right now allows morons to get their A-Cat.
it should not be that easy, yes 7 simple rules are simple and easy but when you have idiots failing a test constantly and getting help to pass then something has to change in order to get rid of the idiots

Having just got my license, (i shot a reasonable amount as a kid, but not in the last 25 years or so) The "safety" course is a bit of a joke.

I would be a good idea to at least show people how different actions work and how to clear a jam, even just some basic maintenance

As much as I think more training is a good idea, the cost has to stay reasonable.
Also remember that you don't get your firearms license proper until the AO has supposedly interviewed one of the referees who has a firearms license. I would imagine that it is assumed that the person who has vouched for their integrity and safety probably has done more detailed instruction with more hands on.

Originally Posted by csmiffy

As much as I think more training is a good idea, the cost has to stay reasonable.
Also remember that you don't get your firearms license proper until the AO has supposedly interviewed one of the referees who has a firearms license. I would imagine that it is assumed that the person who has vouched for their integrity and safety probably has done more detailed instruction with more hands on.

There is no requirement for a referee to possess a firearm licence.