Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

Originally Posted by Jexla

Trademe's asking of a FAL number doesn't require the number to be valid, but only to meet the formula of a FAL number.
I know, they weren't happy when I kept using made up ones because I didn't have my wallet on me to get my FAL number.

P.S this is what HDPA done with the FAL she had on the form, she didn't "borrow" anyone's FAL number, she just learnt the format of a FAL number and made one up.

E.g is T519845 a real FAL number?

Looks it, could even be, but I just made it up. So clever huh? Not.

Actually nah, not quite.
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.
I used to enter a false number that looked right (due to sharing of information etc) and they nailed me - wouldn't let me bid/question/sell anything firearm related until I provided them with a scanned copy of my license.

Originally Posted by Gerbs

Actually nah, not quite.
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.

You should know by now they have a big database of everyones info on everyone in NZ (and most developed nations).

Originally Posted by Gerbs

Actually nah, not quite.
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.
I used to enter a false number that looked right (due to sharing of information etc) and they nailed me - wouldn't let me bid/question/sell anything firearm related until I provided them with a scanned copy of my license.

I use a bullshit one on TM every time, I use my real one with the seller as its none of TMs business what my FAL number is. I just use the SAME bullshit number each time, no problems

They usually have a stamp too near the police use only section at the bottom?

ok i,ve never struck the stamp i dont think but not saying it dont exist.
story and that newsworthy are shit any way no loss.
as for occonnor remember his 58 guns siezed in 7 weeks .
well considering most are probably replicas non functioning toys and air rifles technicly not firearms id take his figures with a grain of salt.bring back jc he never stooped to this shit

Originally Posted by Gerbs

Actually nah, not quite.
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.
I used to enter a false number that looked right (due to sharing of information etc) and they nailed me - wouldn't let me bid/question/sell anything firearm related until I provided them with a scanned copy of my license.

You're missing the point, every time you follow the right formula, you can bid or ask a question. Yeah they might email after awhile and ask why you keep using different numbers, but you could have bought firearms well before the send an email.

Originally Posted by Jexla

You're missing the point, every time you follow the right formula, you can bid or ask a question. Yeah they might email after awhile and ask why you keep using different numbers, but you could have bought firearms well before the send an email.

Had a mate who made an error entering his number (accidentally reversed 2 of the numbers from the previous time he entered it)and TradeMe picked up on it immediately and banned him. I would say they look for differences between each time you enter your number. Although, there was a rumour a couple of years ago that TM were in possession of a full list of FA licence holders. Scary if that was the case but as I said a rumour.

Originally Posted by steven

It can be and is done by some on line. When I delt with Aoraki from the feedback I got I am pretty sure they had run my form past their local AO to get it/me verified as legit before they shipped me a boat load of 223, good on them.

On top of that it wouldnt be hard for a gunshop to buildup and hold a register (or get the police to supply it or have a restricted website) of known AOs / signers as a simple and quick cross check. Something as simple as Wellington AO = Mike Cole = AO666. Ditto putting in the FAL licence and getting back the owner's name on a website (but no address).

It isnt rocket science, its dead easy IT stuff that wouldnt cost much to implement like a few thousands of $s.

A few thousand dollars you reckon? What you're forgetting is the actual costs that government departments are charged for IT services.
This is something the would cost MILLIONS of dollars and would have an ongoing cost in order to keep up and would more than likely be down continuously.
Forgetting the costs of Nova pay? - regardless of the issues.

Originally Posted by Josh

I have a solution to this that I imagine is pretty unpopular - I don't see the issue as being a sales issue, but a shipping one. Shipping firearms to private addresses, specifically.

Easy solution, scrap the police order form entirely, instead of heading to the police station to fill out the form, you head to the police station to show them your license and pick up your firearm, which was shipped there by the seller... would take up a slight amount of police time but would be pretty foolproof.

Think about what you're saying, storing extra firearms at a police station that they then have to deal with, police budgets are stretched extremely thin as it is before having to deal with other people's firearms turning up and having to store them securely.

"A few thousand dollars you reckon? What you're forgetting is the actual costs that government departments are charged for IT services.
This is something the would cost MILLIONS of dollars and would have an ongoing cost in order to keep up and would more than likely be down continuously.
Forgetting the costs of Nova pay? - regardless of the issues."

Didn't Canada spend obscene amounts trying to do exactly this, figured out it wouldn't work, and just basically just gave up?

Originally Posted by Tommy

Didn't Canada spend obscene amounts trying to do exactly this, figured out it wouldn't work, and just basically just gave up?

Correct.

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