Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

Originally Posted by Uplandstalker

Normally gets a stamp from my local too.

I agree that its all a little to easy, but the alternative is what most of the old hands are very much against - firearms registration (here comes the real shit fight)

Because it dose almost nothing. The biggest source of illegal firearms by far are stolen ones. To stop this you must ban the public (and police) from owning firearms.

Trade me asks for a fire arms licence number and its near on impossible to bid or even ask a question about a gun without having a valid licence number.
How do they do it but the gun shops don't or cant?

Trademe's asking of a FAL number doesn't require the number to be valid, but only to meet the formula of a FAL number.
I know, they weren't happy when I kept using made up ones because I didn't have my wallet on me to get my FAL number.

P.S this is what HDPA done with the FAL she had on the form, she didn't "borrow" anyone's FAL number, she just learnt the format of a FAL number and made one up.

E.g is T519845 a real FAL number?

Looks it, could even be, but I just made it up. So clever huh? Not.

Sounds like she was very lucky that the number she made up was an actual number. The Herald article states that Guncity checked the firearms licence number and it was real.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they used the licence number of the firearms licence holder they had on the TV program.

The courts should make an example of Heather and co, lets start seeing stories about our current firearm laws being applied.

Originally Posted by stug

Sounds like she was very lucky that the number she made up was an actual number. The Herald article states that Guncity checked the firearms licence number and it was real.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they used the licence number of the firearms licence holder they had on the TV program.

Well if they did use his FAL number and he gave it to them them he should be considered no longer "fit and proper" expecially since FALs now seem to be revoked for driving offences etc, etc.

I'm tired of being thrown under the bus just because my hobbies are an easy target. For god sake more kids are beaten and hospitalised every week than people shot by criminals. ( yes both are bad bad things)

I haven't really kept up with this , but it seems to me the first breach of the law was falsifying the police clearance .
All other actions by other parties where thus the result of a misleading and unlawful action .


Ken

Originally Posted by Jexla

Trademe's asking of a FAL number doesn't require the number to be valid, but only to meet the formula of a FAL number.
I know, they weren't happy when I kept using made up ones because I didn't have my wallet on me to get my FAL number.

P.S this is what HDPA done with the FAL she had on the form, she didn't "borrow" anyone's FAL number, she just learnt the format of a FAL number and made one up.

E.g is T519845 a real FAL number?

Looks it, could even be, but I just made it up. So clever huh? Not.

Actually nah, not quite.
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.
I used to enter a false number that looked right (due to sharing of information etc) and they nailed me - wouldn't let me bid/question/sell anything firearm related until I provided them with a scanned copy of my license.

I am very impressed with the police response. Heather needs a big book thrown at her.

I think that O'Conner guy was in on this from the start, clearly this all being timed for his interview with that stooge Duncan Garner so he can give his opinion on how we need more legislative restrictions on firearm ownership.

Originally Posted by Gerbs

Actually nah, not quite.
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.

You should know by now they have a big database of everyones info on everyone in NZ (and most developed nations).

I am curious to know why Heather Du Plessiallen still has this rifle and has not had her house searched by our boys in blue yet.

I am guessing it is a formula, essentially a simple encryption. If you have enough FALs you could work it out. Credit Cards have it also but a lot more numbers. If Gun City did check it and it passed then it is either a legit number or lucky. The cipher could be as simple as for instance if your letter is "H" the first three numbers are a multiple of 8. It's possible they simply obtained a legit number from someone.

Still fraud, most smart investigators and auditors use a legal means to test a system. IE begin a transaction but don't finish it, underage alcohol and cigarette purchasers are a good example. they set up the deal but don't finish it. Out of principle you don't actually commit a crime to prove one is easy to commit. GC has also not done a good job on this but nothing like Duncan Greg and Heather.

Originally Posted by tararua

I am curious to know why Heather Du Plessiallen still has this rifle and has not had her house searched by our boys in blue yet.

They filmed them handing it over to the local police firearms guy this afternoon.

Originally Posted by Gerbs

Actually nah, not quite.
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.
I used to enter a false number that looked right (due to sharing of information etc) and they nailed me - wouldn't let me bid/question/sell anything firearm related until I provided them with a scanned copy of my license.

I use a bullshit one on TM every time, I use my real one with the seller as its none of TMs business what my FAL number is. I just use the SAME bullshit number each time, no problems

They usually have a stamp too near the police use only section at the bottom?

ok i,ve never struck the stamp i dont think but not saying it dont exist.
story and that newsworthy are shit any way no loss.
as for occonnor remember his 58 guns siezed in 7 weeks .
well considering most are probably replicas non functioning toys and air rifles technicly not firearms id take his figures with a grain of salt.bring back jc he never stooped to this shit