Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

Originally Posted by Maca49

And supply the purchaser with all your personal details including your email, well that's watertight, a few gangs will love it. They can email you first to see if your going to be at home for the pick up. Where do all the rock heads come from?

Many ppl accept sighting of a licence, the difference is what to "knowing" your email and address? Bear in mind the form should be legitimate and safe as it has been verified, also if something happens there is a point of investigation to follow. Alternatively, how hard is it to sit outside guncity and follow you home? or a shooting range? take a picture of your number plate and get the address that way? Both would be harder to trace.

I'm getting a bit concerned here by the gun fraternity's attitude. Put it this way as a "professional" in my line of work I am used to being tested and having my systems tested. This brings about improvements by fixing bugs, holes and poor design. As far as I am concerned the reporter did her job, she proved there was a hole in the system and it has been fixed.

Gun owners have to be seen to be safe and secure IMHO so the ignorant non-gun users feel safe and have no concerns. It should be very hard and preferably, impossible for someone without a gun to get one, simple. I mean if you are not mentally stable, and/or if you are a criminal then if its easy we legit owners will suffer. Just look at the illogical, foaming at the mouth academics and other anti-gunners stance, do we really want to hand them an incident with ease? Cause if one happens it will be bye bye semi-autos and hello "you can own 2 guns and 100 rounds of ammo and have to hand in the brass to get new" before you can eye blink.

She did her job? I thought impersonating a police was a serious offence? Doesn't seem anybody cares. There's a difference between pointing out a " loop hole" and being a criminal on more than one level

Doing the cleaning in front of our door step is not a bad thing.( revising ourselves any weakness in the system so that bad guys don't get their hand on our guns). But the media should do a bit the same with their shitty " un partial " news and reporters.

Originally Posted by steven

I'm getting a bit concerned here by the gun fraternity's attitude. Put it this way as a "professional" in my line of work I am used to being tested and having my systems tested. This brings about improvements by fixing bugs, holes and poor design. As far as I am concerned the reporter did her job, she proved there was a hole in the system and it has been fixed.

Gun owners have to be seen to be safe and secure IMHO so the ignorant non-gun users feel safe and have no concerns. It should be very hard and preferably, impossible for someone without a gun to get one, simple. I mean if you are not mentally stable, and/or if you are a criminal then if its easy we legit owners will suffer. Just look at the illogical, foaming at the mouth academics and other anti-gunners stance, do we really want to hand them an incident with ease? Cause if one happens it will be bye bye semi-autos and hello "you can own 2 guns and 100 rounds of ammo and have to hand in the brass to get new" before you can eye blink.

Um, Thats all good but I think you miss the important points

1. Reporter broke the law
2. Reporter broke the law
3. Reporter broke the law

If the system need fixing then the police would have done it.
All sales are recorded in the "Dealer Book" which i think must be retained for 5 years,
It was payed for by C/Card number recorded on the order so its tracable if required

Where was the "licence holder" within arms length when the picture was taken with the reporter holding the "gun" (another offence??)

Having brought a number of firearms on line I have had the orders "stamped" or just signed and "not stamped" over the years so the big deal about no stamp is just another red hearing.

No matter what happens the reporter and all others found to be involved must be charged and court process followed. Otherwise we have one rule for us and another for "them"

Yep but her husband is friends with the PM so I doubt anything will proceed

And here is her latest attack on us. Apparently our firearm laws are on par with the US. Can you say scaremongering, alarmist lies?

In the gun with mum after rifle stunt - Opinion - NZ Herald News

The way I see it, any potential flaw could have been pointed out with a simple story and discussion. But instead they chose to do something dramatic, to drum up ratings, to stir fear, to break the law and think that people won't bat an eyelid. This was just irresponsible behaviour through and through. Her logic that it's ok to break the law when you think you can advance a political agenda (and don't try and tell me that the MSM doesn't have one), just smacks of ignorance and pomposity. This is just an attack on gun ownership, she has shown her hand with the opinion piece in the Herald. For how many years have we been using the mail order system for firearm transfers? And how many crimes have occurred as a result of us being able to do so? If there is any justice in this country, everyone complicit will be charged as a regular citizen would for committing equal crimes.

try robbing a bank then using the ''i was just trying to show thier security deficencies for the public'' defence.?
or stealing a car to show the owner ''they need better door locks and insurance''??
dont people get charged for climbing up buildings to protest??
this bird and others conspired to and falsly obtained a GUN and INPERSONATED A POLICE OFFICER.

Guys it's official, we're all a bunch of cunts.

Our gun-loving fraternity spiralling ?out of control? | Opinion | Stuff.co.nz

Un ...... believable.
We do these people come from.

Originally Posted by steven

I'm getting a bit concerned here by the gun fraternity's attitude. Put it this way as a "professional" in my line of work I am used to being tested and having my systems tested. This brings about improvements by fixing bugs, holes and poor design. As far as I am concerned the reporter did her job, she proved there was a hole in the system and it has been fixed.

Gun owners have to be seen to be safe and secure IMHO so the ignorant non-gun users feel safe and have no concerns. It should be very hard and preferably, impossible for someone without a gun to get one, simple. I mean if you are not mentally stable, and/or if you are a criminal then if its easy we legit owners will suffer. Just look at the illogical, foaming at the mouth academics and other anti-gunners stance, do we really want to hand them an incident with ease? Cause if one happens it will be bye bye semi-autos and hello "you can own 2 guns and 100 rounds of ammo and have to hand in the brass to get new" before you can eye blink.

this is the part where i get concerned . .. if a fallow gun owner thinks ' she ' tested the system and that she is a professional who did her job . . .

there was NO test, be very clear about that, GUNCITY was setup to fail with the help of the police . . can ya not see when the game is rigged steven. . . does that not ring any alarm bells for you ?

Originally Posted by Beavis

Guys it's official, we're all a bunch of cunts.

Our gun-loving fraternity spiralling ?out of control? | Opinion | Stuff.co.nz

What a read! As Jake says - where do these people come from!! Granted, like anything in life, there's cowboys, but really??!!, I think theres an opportunity out there to make an actual worth while reading news website. Journalist (shouldn't even use that word) really aren't what they used to be.

Gave me a laugh whilst feeding one of the wee one's so all good

Unfortunately, many people in the general public no absolutely nothing about firearms and their owners and will blindly listen to these "journalists", without doing any of their own research.

It is extremely import that we as gun owners, set the best possible example we can of ourselves and to as many people as possible.
Otherwise we face becoming the opposition of most of the country and can kiss our rights goodbye, just as has happened in the UK and Australia.
I know most of us think Americans are crazy, but most of them are committed to positively influencing as many people as possible, even though they have it written in their Constitution they are allowed them, not a luxury we have.

It would appear that it is a lot easier for firearms owners to be responsible than it is for journalists to be responsible. Bunch of dickheads they are.