Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Last time I used fastway it was 75 dollars.

Same.

For those who haven't seen it or are dealing with a Police Officer who are not aware of the new "policy", there is a NZ Police Guide for Applicants Mail Order Sales.

The new form is available online here.

So nowhere in there does it say you are required to supply the serial number. Sweet. My biggest concern is, with regards to couriers, they often don't care and leave it at the doorstep regardless of whether a signature is required, and making it abundantly obvious that it is a firearm just puts "steal me" all over it.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

For those who haven't seen it or are dealing with a Police Officer who are not aware of the new "policy", there is a NZ Police Guide for Applicants Mail Order Sales.

The new form is available online here.

I find it interesting that as a holder of a Dealers Licence I haven't been informed of any new policies or updates to procedures ....

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Originally Posted by Koshogi

For those who haven't seen it or are dealing with a Police Officer who are not aware of the new "policy", there is a NZ Police Guide for Applicants Mail Order Sales.

The new form is available online here.

So the police don't learn! They are as thick as pig shit! This form should only be available, numerically numbered, so they can be audited, from a police station! Not on line that's how all this bullshit started in the first place! Gun city having its own downloadable form on line so criminals like Heather could sign on behalf of a non existent police officer and purchase a firearm illegally, are there no brains left in a cop shop! FFS

Originally Posted by Jexla

So why are we feeling the need to pay $50 to ship a firearm through HF when we can pay less at fastway and they will shut the fuck up and just do their job you pay them to do, delivered right to their fucking doorstep.

Agree but if H&F showed some balls and you could register on their site to make you legit, they could have a nice little business and support the poor bastards, er loyal customers, with a nice easy service. They need to take control and the lead for us poor mortals with burning $$$s in our pockets

Originally Posted by Beavis

If I recall it cost $60. You need to send a copy of the form. They open the package to make sure you are only sending what you claim and you haven't snuck in another gun or a restricted weapon. Last gun I bought I took my own advise and drove to get it. Took me the best part of a Saturday there and back but at least I had it and there was minimal fucking around.

My last one done by H and F was $20 between firms and that was 6 months ago

Originally Posted by Maca49

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So the police don't learn! They are as thick as pig shit! This form should only be available, numerically numbered, so they can be audited, from a police station! Not on line that's how all this bullshit started in the first place! Gun city having its own downloadable form on line so criminals like Heather could sign on behalf of a non existent police officer and purchase a firearm illegally, are there no brains left in a cop shop! FFS

Police are employed to collect tax not think.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Police are employed to collect tax not think.

You got that right VC, they have installed auto speed signs on the Kaimais, they control speed according to weather, well today it was raining and the speed limit on the Matamata side was reduced from 100 ks to 60 ks! I kid you not, what a cock up! Oh and the revenue gatherer was right there writing out ticket for those that had the skill to drive at 80 + ks. A bit of mist at the top and it was 80 ks till halfway down the Tauranga side. It beggars belief! But if this successful, probably based on income! Is to be rolled out over the country side. Oh well I'll save rubber on my tyres

FFS!

If they dumb us down enough we will go back to walking and leave the roads to buses and trucks, cause they're just so bloody dangerous!

Originally Posted by Maca49

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So the police don't learn! They are as thick as pig shit! This form should only be available, numerically numbered, so they can be audited, from a police station! Not on line that's how all this bullshit started in the first place! Gun city having its own downloadable form on line so criminals like Heather could sign on behalf of a non existent police officer and purchase a firearm illegally, are there no brains left in a cop shop! FFS

Well said. Wtf am I supposed to do if I receive a forged online form from a faux police email address? Am I expected to try and track down the person that signed the form and ask if it's legit?

Yes cause you will be guilty! Plead HDA made me do it. This is so simple to fix

Originally Posted by Maca49

Yes cause you will be guilty! Plead HDA made me do it. This is so simple to fix

It is for me Maca. I just walk into a shop. Ha ha ha ha

Originally Posted by Maca49

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So the police don't learn! They are as thick as pig shit! This form should only be available, numerically numbered, so they can be audited, from a police station! Not on line that's how all this bullshit started in the first place! Gun city having its own downloadable form on line so criminals like Heather could sign on behalf of a non existent police officer and purchase a firearm illegally, are there no brains left in a cop shop! FFS

It's surprising that you are upset at the NZ Police over this, but not the many other unlawful "procedures" that they have enacted.

*NB: Only a “Police Form” from a Police email address, or the original, certified by the Police District Arms Officer and mailed direct to the seller, will satisfy the Arms Act requirement for the seller to take reasonable steps to ascertain whether you are a holder of a firearms licence, or in the case of an airgun, are of or over the age of 18 years.

First thing, the NZ Police DO NOT have the authority to require you to use ANY specific form. The law only requires a "written order", and does not empower the police to set the format of the form, unlike other sections of the Act.

Arms Act 1983- 43A Mail order sale of firearm or ammunition

(1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000 who sells by mail order a firearm or any ammunition for a firearm or restricted weapon otherwise than pursuant to a written order—
(a) signed by the purchaser; and
(b) bearing an endorsement signed by a member of the Police and stating that the member of the Police—
(i) has inspected the purchaser’s firearms licence; and
(ii) is satisfied that the purchaser is a fit and proper person to purchase that firearm or ammunition.

Arms Act 1983 - 30A Application for endorsement in respect of military style semi-automatic firearm

(1) Any person, being of or over the age of 18 years and being an applicant for a firearms licence or the holder of a firearms licence, may apply at an Arms Office to a member of the Police for an endorsement permitting that person to have possession of a military style semi-automatic firearm.

(2) Every application under subsection (1) shall be made on a form provided by a member of the Police.



If the NZ Police wish to have a specific form to be used, then follow the process laid out by the Arms Act and have the Governor General make an Order in Council.
Arms Act 1983 - 74 Regulations
(1) The Governor-General may, from time to time, by Order in Council, make regulations for all or any of the following purposes:
(g) prescribing forms of applications, permits, licences, endorsements, registers, notices, and other documents required for the purposes of this Act, or authorising the Commissioner to prescribe or approve such forms, and requiring the use of such forms:

I would be more upset about the ultra vires "Police Requirements" that they have imposed upon citizens without adhering to the legislative process, despite repeatedly being told by the courts that they do not have this authority.

Such as:

Forward the form to the District Arms Officer for completion and transmission direct to the retailer

- The Arms Act states that "a member of the Police" may sign it and does not require or allow for any further appointment.

Each and every firearm / airgun / ammunition transaction will require Police verification. Verifications will be valid for seven (7) consecutive days from the date upon which they are approved / completed by Police.

- Where does this limitation exist in the Arms Act or Regulation?

The address for delivery of the items must be a physical address. In the case of firearms or ammunition, the address must be either the purchaser’s recorded and verified firearms security location address or the recorded and verified place of residence. i.e. the address values recorded by Police against the firearms licence number, which have been inspected by police. A licensed firearm dealer’s address is also acceptable.

- Where does this requirement exist in the Arms Act or Regulation?

The purchaser must be present at the address to receive the delivery, or the goods are to be held at the premises of the mail /courier company which is making the delivery. Sellers are to give this instruction to the mail / courier company which they engage for the delivery.

- Where does this requirement exist in the Arms Act or Regulation?

Purchase restricted airguns
People who do not hold a firearms licence who wish to purchase a restricted airgun from a licensed firearms dealer are required by Police to establish their bona fide membership of a NZ Police recognised airgun sport club. Proof of age must be established by a current NZ drivers licence or a current NZ passport. Club bona fides is established by providing to Police the original of a letter of good standing from the club which is dated within 14 days of the day of application to Police.

- Where does this requirement exist in the Arms Act or Regulation?


This is supposed to be a nation of laws and any new laws must follow the legislative process that we have agreed to be governed by. Not by the arbitrary decision of an unelected official.

The legislative process

The law is the framework within which citizens consent to be governed, having elected their law-makers.

Parliament legislates by examining bills (proposed laws), making amendments to them, and agreeing their final form. The bills then become Acts of Parliament.