Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

We don't know what percentage of the population don't want us to own a gun and to guess or suppose is pure speculation. Certainly, in the rural sector, it's been my experience that most folk are not anti gun.

Don't worry, almost everything in this thread is pure speculation

id suggest to you with all due respect that your opinion is in the minority and give its laced with sarcasm not overly valued cylops /

Originally Posted by kotuku

id suggest to you with all due respect that your opinion is in the minority and give its laced with sarcasm not overly valued cylops /

In the minority on here maybe, but what about out there where everyone else is?

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Get over yourselves people.

Police have decided not to prosecute, a civil action may or may not happen. Whoopee - NOT

The stunt exposed a weakness in the system, and I for one am pleased that the weakness has been stopped.
FWIW I have purchased since and have had to take the form to a local Firearms Officer who then contacted the seller. Not a big problem.

Get a life folks, go use your firearms for the purposes which you bought them and give your keyboards a rest.

Agree. What most in here I think fail to appreciate is many people are afraid of guns and they vote. So this is turning/turned into a PR disaster for us gun owners which could have been avoided and indeed used positively for us. Really simple, "oops, a hole was found we have fixed this really quickly sorry about that. In fact we'll review the system to make sure there are no others similar holes" the voting public would have been left with the impression that gun owners and shops take safety and security seriously.

Instead Guncity might prosecute, I dont think they will, if they do they'll get their ass handed to them in a court by a Jury and make gun owners look worse in the eyes of the clueless voter.

Wait.. What.. I don't mean to hijack the thread and forgive me for my lack of naivety and at the risk of asking dumb assed questions. Are you saying that you cannot fire your legally owned (C endorsment?) full-auto firearms, even on a range? ever ever? Also; can you not use your legally owned pistol to hunt in NZ?

Originally Posted by Roddy

Wait.. What.. I don't mean to hijack the thread and forgive me for my lack of naivety and at the risk of asking dumb assed questions. Are you saying that you cannot fire your legally owned (C endorsment?) full-auto firearms, even on a range? ever ever? Also; can you not use your legally owned pistol to hunt in NZ?

Nope

Originally Posted by Moutere

Nope

Not ever or even longer !!

No, Police Bushmasters are semi auto only. Only NZA has full auto.

Originally Posted by Roddy

Wait.. What.. I don't mean to hijack the thread and forgive me for my lack of naivety and at the risk of asking dumb assed questions. Are you saying that you cannot fire your legally owned (C endorsment?) full-auto firearms, even on a range? ever ever? Also; can you not use your legally owned pistol to hunt in NZ?

You can't shoot it with live ammunition, but can shoot with blanks if demonstrating it to someone to sell to prove it works, and no, you cannot shoot your pistol outside an approved range.

It's all here.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p.../DLM72622.html

Originally Posted by Kscott

you cannot shoot your pistol outside an approved range.

If your a keen bean you can build your own range at home if you have land and get it certified.

Originally Posted by steven

Agree. What most in here I think fail to appreciate is many people are afraid of guns and they vote. So this is turning/turned into a PR disaster for us gun owners which could have been avoided and indeed used positively for us. Really simple, "oops, a hole was found we have fixed this really quickly sorry about that. In fact we'll review the system to make sure there are no others similar holes" the voting public would have been left with the impression that gun owners and shops take safety and security seriously.

Instead Guncity might prosecute, I dont think they will, if they do they'll get their ass handed to them in a court by a Jury and make gun owners look worse in the eyes of the clueless voter.

You can rest assured that GC WILL be prosecuting( no "might" about it)HER at least. I have suggested several other names to GC. Names of people who were up to their eyeballs in this whole sordid affair. Watch for it to happen!!!!

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Get over yourselves people.

Police have decided not to prosecute, a civil action may or may not happen. Whoopee - NOT

The stunt exposed a weakness in the system, and I for one am pleased that the weakness has been stopped.
FWIW I have purchased since and have had to take the form to a local Firearms Officer who then contacted the seller. Not a big problem.

Get a life folks, go use your firearms for the purposes which you bought them and give your keyboards a rest.

I have been following this whole drama from day one. No one has explained what the loophole/weakness in the previous mail order system was????

I f you know, please elucidate.

Originally Posted by top gun

I have been following this whole drama from day one. No one has explained what the loophole/weakness in the previous mail order system was????

I f you know, please elucidate.

The loop hole was that someone could use someone else's firearms licence number,and impersonate a police constable to make a fraudulent document to obtain a firearm through online/mail order sales.
Meanwhile crims continue to steal or get their scumbag uncaught ( yet) mates to supply them with weapons.

Moral of the story is to get a well connected journalist/political party PR sugar daddy twice your age and break the law to self promote yourself.
Wonder if the #@%^ will show TVland how to make meth for her next story?

Originally Posted by Steve123

The loop hole was that someone could use someone else's firearms licence number,and impersonate a police constable to make a fraudulent document to obtain a firearm through online/mail order sales.
Meanwhile crims continue to steal or get their scumbag uncaught ( yet) mates to supply them with weapons.

Moral of the story is to get a well connected journalist/political party PR sugar daddy twice your age and break the law to self promote yourself.
Wonder if the #@%^ will show TVland how to make meth for her next story?

Steve,
You're forgetting that the first thing GC in Auckland did was phone the AO & checked the cosherness of the licence holder's details. All OK. And, the police checked over 2000 previously received mail order forms & found NO evidence of forgeries or fraudulence.ALL spot on. i.e. NO loophole!!

The only hiccup that I have become aware of is the fact that not all arms offices in NZ actually authenticated the Police Officer's details on the bottom of the form with the Official " Arms Office" rubber stamp. There is NO way for any firearm dealer or firearm seller to know whether or not that info is genuine????
You'd have to be a bit bloody stupid to risk 7 years in the slammer to even think of forging the police info,eh????

Good old Heather & team had no problems tho' AND got away with it ( SO FAR!!!! )

Originally Posted by top gun

Steve,
You're forgetting that the first thing GC in Auckland did was phone the AO & checked the cosherness of the licence holder's details. All OK. And, the police checked over 2000 previously received mail order forms & found NO evidence of forgeries or fraudulence.ALL spot on. i.e. NO loophole!!

The only hiccup that I have become aware of is the fact that not all arms offices in NZ actually authenticated the Police Officer's details on the bottom of the form with the Official " Arms Office" rubber stamp. There is NO way for any firearm dealer or firearm seller to know whether or not that info is genuine????
You'd have to be a bit bloody stupid to risk 7 years in the slammer to even think of forging the police info,eh????

Good old Heather & team had no problems tho' AND got away with it ( SO FAR!!!! )

Exactly. The only loop hole she found was fraud. Impersonating police and using someone else's licence number.
No loophole just fraud.
incidentally sugar daddy is now doing PR for Dear Leader in the Herald.

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The biggest disappointment and would have actually given merit to HDPA was if she had actually been able to demonstrate/investigate that the system was/has been abused by someone with ill intent.

She has created a solution for a problem that never existed?

That's the world we live in now? People come up solutions and then go and find/create problems to validate there efforts ...