Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

Originally Posted by Beaker

Missed that... Cheers

Couldn't find the sten gun video? Maybe he's taken it down.
Interesting other videos and interesting knowledgeable guy though. Would make a good spokesman for our cause.
Must be hard having all those WW 2 goodies and not allowed to have a wee play...��

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

We don't know what percentage of the population don't want us to own a gun and to guess or suppose is pure speculation. Certainly, in the rural sector, it's been my experience that most folk are not anti gun.

Don't worry, almost everything in this thread is pure speculation

the strangest thing is if a drunk driver has an accident or any driver deliberatly kills someone .
presumembly cos people understand through familarity that the vehicle of the death is not to blame.
its not the car thats demonised its the persons and i know yes they were designed to kill but if maybe more people were at least familiar with the uses and good side of gunownership then even that might change.
so take every opportunity to enlighten show but not brow beat into people what fun and safe enjoyment can be had.
the funniest part of the whole weeks news was that they,re putting guns into the hands of cops who have less trigger time than the sons or daughters of your average hunter.
aint we been saying that for years duh and these are the very people trying to lay down and enforce the gunlaws to us ????.
the worst part of that is they,re armed with the very weapons we are considered, without jumping thru umpteen hoops, incompetent and unsafe to have.
talk about the hieght of hypocrisy and stupidity.
i cant make up my mind whether its sad tragic or criminal that ive put more rounds thru my bolt action 22 in the last 2 weeks than the average cops with thier glocks and ar15 varients will use in a year.If i addded in the shotgun i could probably be hired as a instructor hope they supply armoured footware.

Originally Posted by stumpy

the guy who took his sten into international waters ...... would that be exporting/smuggling without a permit ?

Absolutely correct. The border for import or export is the shoreline of NZ. The harbours and territorial waters of NZ are outside the parameters of the act, therefore export and import only occur when the item crosses the land boundary. Taking your C category item out to sea to shoot it is not an offence, but "exporting" it (crossing the land boundary) is (Section 38 of the Arms Act). Bringing it back ashore also contravenes sections 18 and 19 of the act (Permit required for import, and Siezure of illegally imported firearms). They would be technical offences, but certainly guaranteed to have your licence revoked and the siezure of the firearms in question. PNHQ in Wellington would love the chance to nail someone doing that! There are much safer legal solutions to finding out how your expensive collector's item works!

aint this ironic the cops cant solve burglerys including the theft of 136 guns fom one collector alone and when these guns finally appear in the hands they were stolen for everybody jumps up and down and blames every gunowner?

just a tip for you crusher get your officers you were so worried about getting shot to find the guns when they,re stolen??
step 2 give them enough training so that they can handle whats expected of them firearms wise before the aos turns up or you have call the ats.
why do i have this horrible feeling that the cop with the hand shooting injuryof the four shot was self inflicted????

Waikato University professor Alexander Gillespie said there needs to be discussion about what firepower is lawful and where guns are sourced.

"Governments tend to wait until an atrocity occurs or a massacre and then they legislate afterwards.

"It is very rare they're pre-emptive or do something in a precautionary manner, even thought, in my opinion, that it is foreseeable that unless we get in control of this problem something bad will happen"

Gillespie said a starting point would be tracking down the 100,000 guns that aren't with their original purchaser - having been passed on to a friend or family member.


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He said of the one million guns in circulation in New Zealand, around 100,000 of them aren't with their licensed owner.

"You're grandather had a gun, it went to his daughter, it ended up in the cupboard in the house and so on and so forth. You need to get these firearms off the street. You need to get them out of the houses. You need to have a public by back, where a lot of these old guns can be brought in, no questions asked".

Gillespie said around 25,000 of the "missing " guns end up with criminals.

apart from his bullshit figures bullshit cos the cops have no idea of the numbers so how could he?
theres some sence in his arguement

Originally Posted by gsp follower

aint this ironic the cops cant solve burglerys including the theft of 136 guns fom one collector alone and when these guns finally appear in the hands they were stolen for everybody jumps up and down and blames every gunowner?

just a tip for you crusher get your officers you were so worried about getting shot to find the guns when they,re stolen??
step 2 give them enough training so that they can handle whats expected of them firearms wise before the aos turns up or you have call the ats.
why do i have this horrible feeling that the cop with the hand shooting injuryof the four shot was self inflicted????



apart from his bullshit figures bullshit cos the cops have no idea of the numbers so how could he?
theres some sence in his arguement

What this person fails to realise is that there is an amnesty 24/7 for firearms in this country. They can be handed to Police or a licensed dealer at any time with no questions asked. And this is someone called a professor? Seems his research skills leave a bit to be desired.

Well, what piss me off if that our taxes are paying those scumbags more than 100000$ a year to have their shitty ass at a uni, promote their crap around and write that type of bullshit.

I actually had an email conversation with this fella today if anyone is interested in seeing it, I think I may have swayed his opinion a bit.

Let me know your email and I can fwd it to you if you're interested.

Guys I seriously suggest instead of getting mad at these people, CONTACT them and explain to them why they're wrong, they generally (surprisingly) listen.

I reckon the D's involved would love to have wiped the smile off her face. Would have been a bitter pill to be ordered to drop this. She came close though, the public interest was leaning more towards seeing her get her arse booted for breaking the law. Now there's a precedent for other criminals who wish to get away with this.

Originally Posted by Jexla

I actually had an email conversation with this fella today if anyone is interested in seeing it, I think I may have swayed his opinion a bit.

Let me know your email and I can fwd it to you if you're interested.

Guys I seriously suggest instead of getting mad at these people, CONTACT them and explain to them why they're wrong, they generally (surprisingly) listen.

Or contact the people they work for and ask why these people are allowed to go on television and radio, leave out a lot of relevant facts to support their anti firearm drivel and embarrass the institution they work for.

Apparently its not just TV3 journo's that get "special" treatment, I can only but imagine how specially one of us might be treated in the same circumstance (caught illegally hunting0

Police handling of hunting case slated | Otago Daily Times Online News : Otago, South Island, New Zealand & International News

Originally Posted by Krameranzac

Or contact the people they work for and ask why these people are allowed to go on television and radio, leave out a lot of relevant facts to support their anti firearm drivel and embarrass the institution they work for.

I think you will find that will do no good whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Jexla

I think you will find that will do no good whatsoever.

Can it hurt however? No boss likes to hear one of their staff is making their organisation look stupid. Just as every reporter who spouts inaccuracies should be contacted and their faults pointed out.

Originally Posted by mikee

Apparently its not just TV3 journo's that get "special" treatment, I can only but imagine how specially one of us might be treated in the same circumstance (caught illegally hunting0

Police handling of hunting case slated | Otago Daily Times Online News : Otago, South Island, New Zealand & International News

Well its no suprise unfortunately, it happens around here to!!
But this coment doesn't work well for me, this is every body walking into the bush at night or early morning

‘‘If someone is found in an area where wild animals are present, and the person has something they could hunt with, they are presumed to be hunting unless the opposite can be proved.''

Originally Posted by Krameranzac

Can it hurt however? No boss likes to hear one of their staff is making their organisation look stupid. Just as every reporter who spouts inaccuracies should be contacted and their faults pointed out.

I done that yesterday, he never emailed back. I told him if I was as bad at my job as he is his, I'd be fired.