Thread: Unlicenced man sells illegal firearm to gang member

that to logical for the powers to be to understand youll have to come up with something else

hope the judge makes him shelf it. then he can brag about his concealed carry to all his mates in the showers.

ha.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Once again I think there should be a "Possession with Criminal Intent" rule with some sort of mandatory sentence. In this case his only reason to have the weapon was probably to defend his drugs or on sell to another criminal. Unlawful possession is more for someone who got their Grandfathers gun and never got a license or hunters with no license (yes they are out there) etc.

There's no need for that. That's why the penalties span so far. To reflect the seriousness of the crime.

Judges don't seem to understand that.

Originally Posted by Jexla

There's no need for that. That's why the penalties span so far. To reflect the seriousness of the crime.

Judges don't seem to understand that.

Hence the problem, it needs to be divied up otherwise we would have one charge of "breaking the law" that covered everything from genocide to a parking ticket.

Needs to be a very high minimum on firearm aggravated assaults/robbery possession with intent etc to provide ANY sort of deterrent at all.

I have spoken with some of the folks involved with this story.
Person with the firearm, which is whole not cut down, belongs to a member of a "club" which criminals have been associated with and wearing of certain clothing banned in wanganui.
Is also well known to the local constabulary.
The local plod who conducted the search was disappointed with the time period of notification to search warrant issued. Local AO wasnt too interested i gathered. Same bloke will nail a law abiding citizen licenced to own firearms and/or make it realllyyy difficult to get a E endorsement (AO not plod).

I recon there's a very slight chance the judge may lightly wring out the wet bus ticket before he gently taps the perp on the knuckles with it......... After an Appel or two of course

Cheers
Pete

22 posts, and Sydney hasn't chimed in once to tell you all you got it all wrong.
Must be off sick or something

Originally Posted by Pengy

22 posts, and Sydney hasn't chimed in once to tell you all you got it all wrong.
Must be off sick or something

Maybe he's back at law school learning how much more educated he is than the rest of us?

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

The store is under no obligation to see his license, he took the rifle in therefore the assumption would be he was the legal owner. Had he left it there for repair etc he would have been asked to produce his license when picking it up.

What most are unaware of is that the shop is also required (according to the arms regulations) to record the license details and address of the person dropping the firearm off for repair, not only on collection.

Originally Posted by DPT

What most are unaware of is that the shop is also required (according to the arms regulations) to record the license details and address of the person dropping the firearm off for repair, not only on collection.

Address? I don't think I have ever been asked for that.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Address? I don't think I have ever been asked for that.

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Even if I was I wouldn't give them my real home address.

Originally Posted by systolic

Even if I was I wouldn't give them my real home address.

Yea I would think twice on that also

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Address? I don't think I have ever been asked for that.

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Unfortunately it is a requirement of a dealer, it seems most dealers are unaware of this as we were until pointed out by our local arms officer.

The arms act refers to the arms regulations Arms Regulations 1992 (SR 1992/346) (as at 01 July 2017) Contents – New Zealand Legislation
click on #7 "records kept by licence dealer" and then go down to #2



Every licensed dealer must record, in respect of every item to which this regulation applies received by the licensed dealer (including every item received for sale, repair, or modification),—
(a)
particulars of the item (including its serial number, calibre, make, and model); and

(b)
the date the item was received; and

(c)
except in the case of a pistol or restricted weapon received under section 10(2) of the Act, the name and address of the person from whom the item is received; and

(d)
except in the case of a pistol or restricted weapon received under section 10(2) of the Act or a restricted airgun received from a person who is of or over the age of 18 years, the number of the firearms licence of the person from whom the item is received

@DPT You make a factual point backed up by law.

However the rifle in question was Never Received by the dealer in question. I know this as FACT.

The shitbag wanted a new magazine for the rifle and when asked what it was, ie make model, he did not know.
This the point at which he went to the car to retrieve it.

So point I'm making is the rifle was only brought onto the premises to confirm a part requirement. It was never received, held or even repaired by dealer.